That Aud Smell Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 Holy smokes - that would be fantastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 That would be great and a very nice opening move by JBott. Let's wait and see what we would be giving up before saying that. If it was Tim Murray, we'd probably be handing away a first round pick in that trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 Let's wait and see what we would be giving up before saying that. If it was Tim Murray, we'd probably be handing away a first round pick in that trade. You're right. I guess I'm assuming that it's not a #1 or a #2, and I'm happy paying anything less than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 I would give them pick #99 for that. Moulson is a good vet and can contribute offense. They need a few of those guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 On an EXPANSION team, you really expect that the #3 (or possibly worse depending on who is available next week) goalie is going to be down on the farm making 10x what the rest of the farm hands are getting? That would not help team chemistry at all. Can't see any way that happens. Also can't see any other GM making a deal to take an unproven guy on a 1 way contract as their backup in a trade w/ Vegas. Do you see Ullmark being the 2nd best guy that's available to Vegas? Or even him as the 2nd best guy that isn't coming from a team that Vegas desperately wants to take a skater from & therefore passes on the arguably better goalie? They have to take at least 3 goalies; how does he end up clearly the 2nd best of what they grab? This could be the move that makes Kulikov the Sabre taken in the expansion draft. Though I'd still expect them to take Ennis or w/ a slight sweetener Moulson. I think that Vegas will probably look to end up with an expensive #1 and a cheap #2. Out of the cheap #2 guys, as you point out, some will currently be on teams from which Vegas will prefer a different player -- reducing the # of alternatives to Linus. I also think the $750K isn't that big a deal in terms of locker room discord in the AHL. If he's in the AHL, Ullmark will probably be one of the best players on the team. Also, with the MODO seal of approval he's probably a pretty likable guy. I just don't see them taking on a lousy player on an albatross contract unless they are paid to do so -- so if their choices are Moulson or Ennis with no bribe, or Ullmark, who is young, credentialed, cheap and has upside -- I think they're taking Ullmark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 I would give them pick #99 for that. Moulson is a good vet and can contribute offense. They need a few of those guys. Not unfair. He'd play on their #1 power play most likely -- and he showed last season he can do stuff there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 I think that Vegas will probably look to end up with an expensive #1 and a cheap #2. Out of the cheap #2 guys, as you point out, some will currently be on teams from which Vegas will prefer a different player -- reducing the # of alternatives to Linus. I also think the $750K isn't that big a deal in terms of locker room discord in the AHL. If he's in the AHL, Ullmark will probably be one of the best players on the team. Also, with the MODO seal of approval he's probably a pretty likable guy. I just don't see them taking on a lousy player on an albatross contract unless they are paid to do so -- so if their choices are Moulson or Ennis with no bribe, or Ullmark, who is young, credentialed, cheap and has upside -- I think they're taking Ullmark. Only catch being they have to take on some cap. Doesn't mean from Buffalo but in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 Jonathan Willis of SportsNet had a trade proposal Buffalo sends 2017 2nd and 3rd to NYI for Calvin DeHaan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 I would give them pick #99 for that. Moulson is a good vet and can contribute offense. They need a few of those guys. Not unfair. He'd play on their #1 power play most likely -- and he showed last season he can do stuff there. Personally, I'd like to see what Moulson could do when used properly, I think he still has some tread left.... but not for $5mil/yr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 Jonathan Willis of SportsNet had a trade proposal Buffalo sends 2017 2nd and 3rd to NYI for Calvin DeHaan if it isn't #38 but #54 in the 2nd then yes. Where do I fax that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 Jonathan Willis of SportsNet had a trade proposal Buffalo sends 2017 2nd and 3rd to NYI for Calvin DeHaan Sign me up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 Sign me up! I would do that as well. Particularly if we can do it with the extra 2nd and 3rd picks we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 Holy smokes - that would be fantastic. Let's see what the price is first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 Jonathan Willis of SportsNet had a trade proposal Buffalo sends 2017 2nd and 3rd to NYI for Calvin DeHaan This is so much "yes" from me that it doesn't pass the realism test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 I think that Vegas will probably look to end up with an expensive #1 and a cheap #2. Out of the cheap #2 guys, as you point out, some will currently be on teams from which Vegas will prefer a different player -- reducing the # of alternatives to Linus. I also think the $750K isn't that big a deal in terms of locker room discord in the AHL. If he's in the AHL, Ullmark will probably be one of the best players on the team. Also, with the MODO seal of approval he's probably a pretty likable guy. I just don't see them taking on a lousy player on an albatross contract unless they are paid to do so -- so if their choices are Moulson or Ennis with no bribe, or Ullmark, who is young, credentialed, cheap and has upside -- I think they're taking Ullmark. Looks like we'll eventually get to the point of agreeing to disagree. I could definitely see Vegas willing to take Ennis or Moulson & (due to the actual cash outlay for Moulson being so much higher than the cap hit) the sweetener necessary on Moulson being lower than we'd expect. I could easily see it being as low as a 4th; possibly even a 5th. Vegas WILL be bad next year. Ennis could bring some entertainment in a deserved top 2 line role & Moulson would help on the top pp & w/ making it look like their spending money (even though actual outlay will be ~2MM less than cap hit). Since Vegas is an expansion team, those 2 aren't as bad an option as either would be for an established team. Each brings a (limited) skill set that when combined w/ a better goalie than Ullmark likely is more valuable than a 1 way Ullmark & a slightly better (though still flawed) skater from another team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 Looks like we'll eventually get to the point of agreeing to disagree. I could definitely see Vegas willing to take Ennis or Moulson & (due to the actual cash outlay for Moulson being so much higher than the cap hit) the sweetener necessary on Moulson being lower than we'd expect. I could easily see it being as low as a 4th; possibly even a 5th. Vegas WILL be bad next year. Ennis could bring some entertainment in a deserved top 2 line role & Moulson would help on the top pp & w/ making it look like their spending money (even though actual outlay will be ~2MM less than cap hit). Since Vegas is an expansion team, those 2 aren't as bad an option as either would be for an established team. Each brings a (limited) skill set that when combined w/ a better goalie than Ullmark likely is more valuable than a 1 way Ullmark & a slightly better (though still flawed) skater from another team. I tend to agree with you view of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 I'm feeling pretty good about Moulson to the Knights for the reasons Taro states above, plus we know McPhee likes Matty. I think mUrray arranged it and JBots signed off. Only question is whether it's going to cost more than our extra third. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 Taro -- if Vegas takes Moulson or Ennis in exchange for a #3 or better, I'm claiming victory in the disagreement. Obviously, if there is no sweetener, you win. I will also stipulate that you win if it's a #5 or #6. Who wins if it's a #4? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 Taro -- if Vegas takes Moulson or Ennis in exchange for a #3 or better, I'm claiming victory in the disagreement. Obviously, if there is no sweetener, you win. I will also stipulate that you win if it's a #5 or #6. Who wins if it's a #4? Me of course. :p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 Taro -- if Vegas takes Moulson or Ennis in exchange for a #3 or better, I'm claiming victory in the disagreement. Obviously, if there is no sweetener, you win. I will also stipulate that you win if it's a #5 or #6. Who wins if it's a #4? The Sabres. Do we have a 4th? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 The Sabres. Do we have a 4th? Yup, #99 overall. We don't have a 5th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 Oh god Roby Ray and Craig Rivet want to get Giradi because everyone will want him he's a good defender and they bet Toronto will go get him... #facedesk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 Oh god Roby Ray and Craig Rivet want to get Giradi because everyone will want him he's a good defender and they bet Toronto will go get him... #facedesk The Instigators have you #triggered :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 The Instigators have you #triggered :P and as a delicate Millennial I can't handle the stupid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 and as a delicate Millennial I can't handle the stupid *snake person Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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