Brawndo Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 http://www.espn.com/espnw/sports/article/17727834/nwhl-player-harrison-browne-comes-transgender-man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 ^ I thought it was going to be a matter of a transitioned man playing as a woman. But it's a non-transitioned woman playing as a woman. Did the former happen in the Olympics this summer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 You know, we just didn't learn a lot about this stuff back in my day. I feel very ignorant and uncomfortable discussing trans issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 You know, we just didn't learn a lot about this stuff back in my day. I feel very ignorant and uncomfortable discussing trans issues. ha! I was just going to post this. Maybe not the uncomfortable part so much. The ignorance, yes. I am still getting over two dudes having a baby together and that baby with three biological parents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 BTW, this article needed to say that Harrison Browne has been playing as Hailey Browne. Otherwise, the comment about looking forward to hearing his name pronounced correctly doesn't make any sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 I don't get it. So she identifies as a man probably because of some man parts... You would think they would need to have XX chromosomes to qualify to play in a women's only sport regardless of body parts... right? My guess is he's an XX male. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 I don't get it. So she identifies as a man probably because of some man parts... You would think they would need to have XX chromosomes to qualify to play in a women's only sport regardless of body parts... right? My guess is he's an XX male. Probably not. He's a woman transitioning to a man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabills Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 I don't get it. So she identifies as a man probably because of some man parts... You would think they would need to have XX chromosomes to qualify to play in a women's only sport regardless of body parts... right? My guess is he's an XX male. He was born female entirely, at least as far as we know from this article, However, he identifies as a man, and will, after his career is over in the NWHL, be transitioning to a man medically. Currently, he is entirely medically, physically, and biologically a woman (again, as far as we know, obviously thats not something they would go into in this article) but is mentally and psychologically a man. I understand that this is really tough for people to get their heads around. Its taken me a while to get it as much as I do. I'm not going to pretend to be an expert this stuff, I'm just a guy on the internet. Don't overthink it; identify people as they want to be identified, not as they are physically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BagBoy Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 Yup. If someone in Philly considers him/herself a Sabres' fan, more power to them and welcome aboard! It wouldn't make any sense for anyone to insist that person is a Flyers fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 I don't get it. So she identifies as a man probably because of some man parts... You would think they would need to have XX chromosomes to qualify to play in a women's only sport regardless of body parts... right? My guess is he's an XX male. It's all about equality, it shouldn't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 He was born female entirely, at least as far as we know from this article, However, he identifies as a man, and will, after his career is over in the NWHL, be transitioning to a man medically. Currently, he is entirely medically, physically, and biologically a woman (again, as far as we know, obviously thats not something they would go into in this article) but is mentally and psychologically a man. I understand that this is really tough for people to get their heads around. Its taken me a while to get it as much as I do. I'm not going to pretend to be an expert this stuff, I'm just a guy on the internet. Don't overthink it; identify people as they want to be identified, not as they are physically. It's easier once you know people who are going through it. Jo taught a student who transitioned and we are friends with a man who is transitioning from being Samantha. It's just completely not weird at all once you've encountered it enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matter2003 Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 Does anyone really care about this crap anymore? Be whoever you want to be, just stop thinking it makes you someone everyone needs to know about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 Does anyone really care about this crap anymore? Be whoever you want to be, just stop thinking it makes you someone everyone needs to know about Read the comment section here and try telling me this isn't important and nobody cares: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nwhls-harrison-browne-is-first-transgender-athlete-in-pro-team-sports-163803199.html You're a idiot if you think it's not important and we don't have huge strides left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 (edited) It's all about equality, it shouldn't matter. Well, for Olympic competition they check testosterone levels. There has to be some scientific method to distinguish men from women other than whatever that person chooses to identify as. Equality you say? How fair is it for the other women in sport if they have to compete against a man just because he chooses to identify as a woman? Edited October 7, 2016 by pi2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 Well, for Olympic competition they check testosterone levels. There has to be some scientific method to distinguish men from women other than whatever that person chooses to identify as. Equality you say? How fair is it for the other women in sport if they have to compete against a man just because he chooses to identify as a woman? He doesn't have "some man parts" (whatever the hell that means). He's got female sexual organs. It's not like you can have like four male fingers, seven female toes and the torso of a tyrannosaurus. You've got it backwards. Read the article before you comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 He doesn't have "some man parts" (whatever the hell that means). He's got female sexual organs. It's not like you can have like four male fingers, seven female toes and the torso of a tyrannosaurus. You've got it backwards. Read the article before you comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 (edited) He doesn't have "some man parts" (whatever the hell that means). He's got female sexual organs. It's not like you can have like four male fingers, seven female toes and the torso of a tyrannosaurus. You've got it backwards. Read the article before you comment. I did. He was always a man, who is probably XX or XXY (intersex), so he identified as a woman all these years, but now he's identifying as a man... which he is. Let me ask you this... without considering body parts, how would you differentiate between male and female. Edited October 8, 2016 by pi2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 I did. He was always a man, who is probably XX or XXY (intersex), so he identified as a woman all these years, but now he's identifying as a man... which he is. Let me ask you this... without considering body parts, how would you differentiate between male and female. The difference between a six pack and a 12 pack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 The difference between a six pack and a 12 pack Wrong thread. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 I did. He was always a man, who is probably XX or XXY (intersex), so he identified as a woman all these years, but now he's identifying as a man... which he is. Let me ask you this... without considering body parts, how would you differentiate between male and female. From my reading of the article, the player was born, and appeared to be, a girl. NO man parts. Get it? But the brain inside that girl's body feels like it should be a dude. I'm pretty sure that's it. He wasn't a man who chose to be a woman for a while to have an advantage playing against women; he was born a woman who decided she is a man. You to be sure it's the other way around; I'm not sure how you got there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabel79 Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 Does anyone really care about this crap anymore? Be whoever you want to be, just stop thinking it makes you someone everyone needs to know about There are an untold number of young people, or just people in general, who stand to benefit from a story like this. Just imagine what it would be like to grow up with exactly zero positive role models you can identify with. You're free to think what you want, but don't make the mistake of thinking you get to decide for everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matter2003 Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 (edited) Read the comment section here and try telling me this isn't important and nobody cares: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nwhls-harrison-browne-is-first-transgender-athlete-in-pro-team-sports-163803199.html You're a ###### idiot if you think it's not important and we don't have huge strides left. The problem is people thinking someday 100% of the world will all hold hands and sing Kumbaya together. I got news for you...war, fighting, killing, slavery and not liking other groups of people go back to our earliest ancestors when Neandrathals and H0mo-Sapiens used to fight amongst each other because they were different groups of people. I'm not here to tell you its right, I'm simply telling you that's just the way it is and always has been back to our earliest times on earth. Thinking that is going to change is just being exceptionally naive. Unfortunately its ingrained in our collective beings. No amount of "sensitivity training" or "teaching" or anything else is going to change that in many people. If you think we are bad you should go see what happens in places like India or China to people who look different from them. Every person on earth has inherent biases and prejudices based on how they were raised. Some are worse than others. Some go to the extreme. But everyone has them. Including you. People talk about the common human condition? Well, that is war and destruction of other races and peoples. Go back and read thousands of years of history and you'll see that very clearly. Edited October 8, 2016 by matter2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 I'm a strawberry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffano DeBoom Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 I'd hit it preop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 The way I see it is, the liberal agenda wants everybody to be equal. So if you're going to make exceptions when it comes to differentiating males and females based on physical performance, then they're just being hypocrites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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