Thorny Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 That whole left side is not good. Kane may be there, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Let's all hope so.Mittlestadt, Olofsson, Pu, Davidsson all could be left wings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabel79 Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Kane may be there, too. Mittlestadt, Olofsson, Pu, Davidsson all could be left wings. I don't doubt that it can / will actually be better in reality than the lineup posited in the article. That lineup though, is hot garbage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) I don't doubt that it can / will actually be better in reality than the lineup posited in the article. That lineup though, is hot garbage.Oh yea that lineup sucks. Also I think Nylander plays the off wing. Edited July 21, 2017 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) I don't doubt that it can / will actually be better in reality than the lineup posited in the article. That lineup though, is hot garbage. I don't think so. Not if you allow for the reasoning behind the projections in the article to be true, as well. That lineup would have an elite centre spine, a good RW, and a Pu that has, from the projection in the article/proposed lineup, developed into a good player, on the LW. D looks pretty good, too (aside from Bogo). The inclusion of Smith is an odd one, I'll give you that. But switch him with Mittelstadt, and it's looking pretty good. And also pretty close to what we should expect, to be honest. Plus minus a Kane. Edited July 21, 2017 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabel79 Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 I don't think so. Not if you allow for the reasoning behind the projections in the article to be true, as well. That lineup would have an elite centre spine, a good RW, and a Pu that has, from the projection in the article/proposed lineup, developed into a good player, on the LW. D looks pretty good, too (aside from Bogo). The inclusion of Smith is an odd one, I'll give you that. But switch him with Mittelstadt, and it's looking pretty good. And also pretty close to what we should expect, to be honest. Plus minus a Kane. And a Pu, Larsson, and Zemgus. Just no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) Oh yea that lineup sucks. Also I think Nylander plays the off wing.If that lineup "sucks", we are in for a world of hurt. There's a decent chance the only difference is Mittelstadt: Mittelstadt - Eichel - Nylander Pu - O'Reilly - Okposo Larsson - Reinhart - Bailey Girgensons - Asplund - Fasching Scandella - Ristolainen Guhle - Beaulieu McCabe - Bogosian Ullmark Johansson ...looks fine to me. And a Pu, Larsson, and Zemgus. Just no. In the context of the article, Pu develops into a contributing winger. Certainly not out of the realm of possibility. Sub in Baptiste if you want, but I don't think Pu is a less likely candidate to succeed here. Edited July 21, 2017 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnRobertEichel Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 I think the Sabres are actually 2-4 in Conference Finals (1975, 1980, 1998, 1999, 2006, 2007). 5 Appearances in Conference Finals (record 2-3) That article doesn't include Mittelstadt, Kane, Baptiste, and Davidsson. Here are my top 12 forwards in a few years: Mittelstadt - Eichel - Nylander Kane - Reinhart - Okposo Asplund - O'Reilly - Baptiste Davidsson - Girgensons - Bailey That looks incredibly strong to me. Possibly the best in the entire league if all 12 reach their talent projections? Or am I being a homer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 I think the Sabres are actually 2-4 in Conference Finals (1975, 1980, 1998, 1999, 2006, 2007). That article doesn't include Mittelstadt, Kane, Baptiste, and Davidsson. Here are my top 12 forwards in a few years: Mittelstadt - Eichel - Nylander Kane - Reinhart - Okposo Asplund - O'Reilly - Baptiste Davidsson - Girgensons - Bailey That looks incredibly strong to me. Possibly the best in the entire league if all 12 reach their talent projections? Or am I being a homer? I agree that looks good. I'd say thought that with the exception of Mittelstadt, it's very similar to the one posted in the article, though. Basically, I don't see a discernible difference between Pu/Fasching and Davidsson/Baptiste. Kane for Larsson is a nice upgrade, though. Basically, I think the article's lineup looks a heck of a lot better with only one simple addition, that of Mittelstadt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 ROR will be a winger in any lineup in 2 years, preferably on Jacks wing. Asplund will take Larssons place. Casey will be a pivot with OK on his wing. I doubt Bailey ever becomes a consistent NHL contributor but I think Baptiste and Fasching break out this year. If Kane signs to a workable number and plays alongside Asplund we would have very good distributed scoring and wheels through out the lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 I agree that looks good. I'd say thought that with the exception of Mittelstadt, it's very similar to the one posted in the article, though. Basically, I don't see a discernible difference between Pu/Fasching and Davidsson/Baptiste. Kane for Larsson is a nice upgrade, though. Basically, I think the article's lineup looks a heck of a lot better with only one simple addition, that of Mittelstadt. Interesting comment of Davidsson/Baptiste - Pu/Fasching... though if all four develop well then the Sabres will have some trade bait for D. We will see and if one or two develop further even more chance for a good hockey trade or high end picks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 I absolutely hate analyses like that. I'll never understand the point of looking at something without factoring in trades and free agents. I know that's impossible to project, but it is a huge part of any team building process. Find me one team who hasn't added a single player from another NHL team over a 3 year period. Good luck with that search. I don't understand the logic behind putting something together based on a set of rules that immediately invalidate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) Not saying our defence doesn't need better players in the NHL or more prospects in the pipeline. It does. I am saying that our desperation for d is a bit overstated when you look at the demographic of our NHL roster: Risto and McCabe are 23 and should be in our top four for a long time. Antipin and Beaulieu are 24 and could become middle-pair guys. Scandella and Bogosian are 27 and under contract for a while. That's a young defence with a lot of questions, but also some upside. They definitely can skate. Time will tell if they are overmatched, but they should buy Botterill some time. And they could actually develop into something decent. With Guhle coming, if one of Antipin, Beaulieu or Bogosian develops/rebounds and we grab a D high next year, we could look a lot better fairly quickly. Edited July 21, 2017 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Just 2 years ago the future was supposed guys like Lemieux, Armia, Zadorov, Compher, Petersen, etc... It's pointless to try and forecast a lineup more than one year in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Just 2 years ago the future was supposed guys like Lemieux, Armia, Zadorov, Compher, Petersen, etc... It's pointless to try and forecast a lineup more than one year in advance. It's a message board. Everything we do on here is useless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) I think the Sabres are actually 2-4 in Conference Finals (1975, 1980, 1998, 1999, 2006, 2007). That article doesn't include Mittelstadt, Kane, Baptiste, and Davidsson. Here are my top 12 forwards in a few years: Mittelstadt - Eichel - Nylander Kane - Reinhart - Okposo Asplund - O'Reilly - Baptiste Davidsson - Girgensons - Bailey That looks incredibly strong to me. Possibly the best in the entire league if all 12 reach their talent projections? Or am I being a homer? You're being a homer. :) Realistically, six of those players (all wings) aren't NHL players yet. I like Mittelstadt, Nylander to make it. I'd guess one of the remaining four make it. If two of the four do, that beats the odds. Edited July 21, 2017 by MattPie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 It's a message board. Everything we do on here is useless :censored: .... :unsure: .... :cry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Not saying our defence doesn't need better players in the NHL or more prospects in the pipeline. It does. I am saying that our desperation for d is a bit overstated when you look at the demographic of our NHL roster: Risto and McCabe are 23 and should be in our top four for a long time. Antipin and Beaulieu are 24 and could become middle-pair guys. Scandella and Bogosian are 27 and under contract for a while. That's a young defence with a lot of questions, but also some upside. They definitely can skate. Time will tell if they are overmatched, but they should buy Botterill some time. And they could actually develop into something decent. With Guhle coming, if one of Antipin, Beaulieu or Bogosian develops/rebounds and we grab a D high next year, we could look a lot better fairly quickly. Please, no! Playoffs next year! You're being a homer. :) Realistically, six of those players (all wings) aren't NHL players yet. I like Mittelstadt, Nylander to make it. I'd guess one of the remaining four make it. If two of the four do, that beats the odds. The odds increase though when you start adding guys like Pu and Fasching to the list. Only a few have to pan out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) The hockeynews has now weighed in on Dudacek's idea. http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/2020-vision-what-the-buffalo-sabres-roster-will-look-like-in-three-years Their lineup Smith Eichel Nylander Pu ROR Okposo Larsson Reinhart Bailey Girgensons Asplund Fasching Scandella Risto Guhle Beaulieu McCabe Bogo Ullmark Johansson Problems: No Mittelstadt, Larsson on the wing, Johansson as the backup, and Asplund as a 4th line center More likely Mittelstadt Eichel Okposo Nylander ROR Reinhart Smith Asplund Bailey Girgensons Larsson Fasching Edited July 21, 2017 by GASabresFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) It's a message board. Everything we do on here is useless :censored: .... :unsure: .... :cry: Plans are useless, but planning is indispensable. Edited July 21, 2017 by IKnowPhysics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 These ppl are dumb if they think a 20yr old Mittelstadt isn't on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 These ppl are dumb if they think a 20yr old Mittelstadt isn't on the team.... But CJ Smith is. :blink: He may turn into a nice depth player but it's just plain lazy to include him on any Sabres roster moving forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 ... But CJ Smith is. :blink: He may turn into a nice depth player but it's just plain lazy to include him on any Sabres roster moving forward. Yea exactly. I mean wtf? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Interesting look at the future. http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/2020-vision-what-the-buffalo-sabres-roster-will-look-like-in-three-years I would add Mittlestadt to the list The hockeynews has now weighed in on Dudacek's idea.http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/2020-vision-what-the-buffalo-sabres-roster-will-look-like-in-three-years Their lineup :p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Please, no! Playoffs next year! . By high I meant with our first pick- likely around 31. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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