K-9 Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 I don't think Lehner was focused. IMO, any move Marchand could make was going to work. I think this is a fair observation given his level of anger immediately after the game was over. I think he was pissed off from the moment the ref called a penalty on Risto. GO SABRES!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Mr D could have a very insightful observation, yes sir. I don't think Marchand's shot was pedestrian, but I'm not sure he beat Lehner at his best, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 When compared to a hooking call on a guy with no stick, maybe it's not that big a deal. What if he used his..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottosmagic13 Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Anyone have video of the two penalties...the new NHL.com is infuriating to navigate? Every time I think I get it I get redirected to NHL.tv subscription page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Anyone have video of the two penalties...the new NHL.com is infuriating to navigate? Every time I think I get it I get redirected to NHL.tv subscription page. Same here with nhl.com frustration. Go to the NHL videos page on YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/user/NHLVideo/videos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Could the official wave off the PS goal if the Sabres challenged right after on the illegal glove? Apparently not, given the logic behind this portion of the stick measurement rule: A request for a stick measurement in regular playing time is permitted, including after the scoring of a goal, however, a goal cannot be disallowed as a result of the measurement. A request for a stick measurement following a goal in overtime (including one scored on a penalty shot in overtime) is not permitted. Stick measurements prior to or during the shootout are permitted, subject to the guidelines outlined in 10.7. A "complaint" regarding a glove is allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) Apparently not, given the logic behind this portion of the stick measurement rule: A "complaint" regarding a glove is allowed. What is the advantage to a bare palm? Is it mainly a way to clutch and grab in a stealth fashion or are there other advantages like stick control on penalty shots? Also what is an officials responsibility in making the call? Is he obligated to call a penalty is he becomes aware of a bare palm or illegal curve, or only when the opposing team challenges? Edited February 7, 2016 by PromoTheRobot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 What is the advantage to a bare palm? Is it mainly a way to clutch and grab in a stealth fashion or are there other advantages like stick control on penalty shots? Also what is an officials responsibility in making the call? Is he obligated to call a penalty is he becomes aware of a bare palm or illegal curve, or only when the opposing team challenges? I asked someone who plays hockey. They had no clue about the advantage. Called it "dangerous" though. Since the glove rule is in the book, I am guessing it is the refs' responsibility to call it if seen. As for the illegal curve, that's not nearly as cut and dry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 What is the advantage to a bare palm? Is it mainly a way to clutch and grab in a stealth fashion or are there other advantages like stick control on penalty shots? Also what is an officials responsibility in making the call? Is he obligated to call a penalty is he becomes aware of a bare palm or illegal curve, or only when the opposing team challenges? You got it right. Blame a Maple Leaf. http://mapleleafslegends.blogspot.ca/2008/03/carl-brewer.html?m=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) TBJ is anti-Robin! The irony! What did I say that was anti-Robin? :blink: Edited February 7, 2016 by The Big Johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Bergeron really looks like a more veteran Samson. You really don't notice them much until they make a neat play but quietly solid all over the ice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Bergeron really looks like a more veteran Samson. You really don't notice them much until they make a neat play but quietly solid all over the ice I see that, he actually made a nice play against Bergeron a couple times too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 I laughed when he said it! I, for one, will remember and use this word till it becomes an *official* word. It perfectly describes that officiating crew. Absolutely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 Here's a somewhat contrary view: I liked the PS call. I thought Risto grabbed Marchand with both hands, pulled him back and then shoved him -- and if Risto hadn't done so, Marchand would've had an unimpeded breakaway. A PS is supposed to be called when the defender commits a foul to break up an unimpeded breakaway -- so it was the right call IMHO. Having said that, I also think the McGinn play should've resulted in a PS. Separately: - That was a great hockey game. - Lehner is looking more and more like the real deal. He's playing great and I loved the way he was breathing fire after the game. - As for whether he should've made the save on Marchand -- there's a reason Kotalik scored pretty much every time in the shootout on the high backhand: it's pretty freaking hard to do, and it's pretty freaking hard to stop. - As noted upthread, Larsson-Kane-Gionta has become a heckuva 3rd line. They seem to hem the opposition in on the forecheck better than any other Sabres' line. They also have increased the general Sabres-watching entertainment factor, as each of the top 3 lines is legitimately interesting now. - Moulson got another shot to play with good scorers, taking Foligno's spot with Eichel and Zemgus, and did zero with it. - I liked Bogo-Pysyk again. - Boston was the better team and had many more scoring chances than the Sabres, but the Sabres got very good goaltending and a few fortunate breaks to stay in it -- and they didn't give up or shrink a-tall from the physical game. They have heart and maybe now they have goaltending; they need more finish. All in all, I was encouraged and thoroughly enjoyed the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) Freeman, it's been a rough few days for your opinion. When even Jack Edwards admits the call was bad then just settle on that being the 100% truth. Edited February 8, 2016 by Hoss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 And, the call was hooking. On a guy with no stick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 Only *somewhat* contrary? Hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 Only *somewhat* contrary? Hahaha It's like driving the wrong way on a one-way street then telling the officer "I was only kinda going in the wrong direction." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 Well, if that had been Eichel streaking in and getting grabbed by a Bruins defenseman, would anyone here have felt a PS was not justified (leaving the McGinn non-call out of it)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 - Moulson got another shot to play with good scorers, taking Foligno's spot with Eichel and Zemgus, and did zero with it. Which is totally baffling. What happened to him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 Well, if that had been Eichel streaking in and getting grabbed by a Bruins defenseman, would anyone here have felt a PS was not justified (leaving the McGinn non-call out of it)? I didn't think the McGinn call or the Marchand call were penalty shots. And I would've laughed if they would've given it to us. It certainly wasn't justified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 Well, if that had been Eichel streaking in and getting grabbed by a Bruins defenseman, would anyone here have felt a PS was not justified (leaving the McGinn non-call out of it)? You can't simply take the McGinn non-call out of it. Same game, same officials, same or worse level of foul on McGinn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 You can't simply take the McGinn non-call out of it. Same game, same officials, same or worse level of foul on McGinn. This is where I'm at, had McGinn got a PS it wouldn't be so infuriating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 I didn't think the McGinn call or the Marchand call were penalty shots. And I would've laughed if they would've given it to us. It certainly wasn't justified. How in the world can you say McGinn shouldn't have been a penalty shot? What do you need to see? Well, if that had been Eichel streaking in and getting grabbed by a Bruins defenseman, would anyone here have felt a PS was not justified (leaving the McGinn non-call out of it)? Except Marchand wasn't grabbed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 How in the world can you say McGinn shouldn't have been a penalty shot? What do you need to see? In my opinion Seidenberg had gotten himself even with McGinn before committing the penalty. Could go either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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