eman Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 As Jack gets even better and the season progresses, I am concerned opponents will start to take liberties with him (cheap shots). The injury to McDavid didn't originally appear to be cheap but when you look at it again, it certainly may have had intent. If this happens (a cheap shot to Jack) and I think it eventually will as teams realize how dangerous he is, do we have guys other then Marcus who can "throw down" if the crap starts? Brendan Gallagher is one who I think would take a cheapie at Jack even though he may not throw down afterward. Do we have guys other then Marcus who can send the message this won't be tolerated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanny Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 McGinn, Deslauriers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 I think Jack is perfectly capable of defending himself. His physical presence is coming along as well...he's checking and he's getting in on scrums. He's a big, strong guy, who, in my opinion, was the more durable option between he and McDavid at the draft. That said, D-Lo, McGinn, Foligno, Rasmus, Kane, Gorges, Weber, and Zemgus are all there to protect him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallawaySabres Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 So funny you mentioned this because I thought this for the first time last night. This kid is literally making everything happen on that ice and without him, chances of scoring are reduced A LOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 As Jack gets even better and the season progresses, I am concerned opponents will start to take liberties with him (cheap shots). The injury to McDavid didn't originally appear to be cheap but when you look at it again, it certainly may have had intent. If this happens (a cheap shot to Jack) and I think it eventually will as teams realize how dangerous he is, do we have guys other then Marcus who can "throw down" if the crap starts? Brendan Gallagher is one who I think would take a cheapie at Jack even though he may not throw down afterward. Do we have guys other then Marcus who can send the message this won't be tolerated? The only thing I saw in the McDavid injury was a guy who took a shot and twisted enough to put his center of gravity on the wrong side of his edges. Once that happened he was going to fall over. Given where he was at he was most likely going to come away with some serious hurting. The problem was made worse by him taking out two Flyers defenders with him. I don't see anything cheap there at all. It's an unfortunate play and McDavid is responsible for taking out the Flyers players as well. I don't think anyone is going to cheap shot Eichel. He's already one of the faces of the game. He's likely to get some extra bumps and a few other knock downs but as far as a pure cheap shot goes? I don't think so. There was a ideo posted a few years back that I believe showed Gallagher against the Bruins. He gets dropped by the goalie, then the defender knocks him down, and then he gets knocked down again all while just trying to get out of the Bruins zone and get back into the play. I would expect THAT level of irritation. That said... I do think there is an entire team that is going to come to his defense at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 The only thing I saw in the McDavid injury was a guy who took a shot and twisted enough to put his center of gravity on the wrong side of his edges. Once that happened he was going to fall over. Given where he was at he was most likely going to come away with some serious hurting. The problem was made worse by him taking out two Flyers defenders with him. I don't see anything cheap there at all. It's an unfortunate play and McDavid is responsible for taking out the Flyers players as well. McDavid caught a rut in the ice. The only way there was intent there was if they knew exactly where he was going to be and they damaged the ice ahead of time. Seems likely to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcsaberks Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 The only thing I saw in the McDavid injury was a guy who took a shot and twisted enough to put his center of gravity on the wrong side of his edges. Once that happened he was going to fall over. Given where he was at he was most likely going to come away with some serious hurting. The problem was made worse by him taking out two Flyers defenders with him. I don't see anything cheap there at all. It's an unfortunate play and McDavid is responsible for taking out the Flyers players as well. I don't think anyone is going to cheap shot Eichel. He's already one of the faces of the game. He's likely to get some extra bumps and a few other knock downs but as far as a pure cheap shot goes? I don't think so. There was a ideo posted a few years back that I believe showed Gallagher against the Bruins. He gets dropped by the goalie, then the defender knocks him down, and then he gets knocked down again all while just trying to get out of the Bruins zone and get back into the play. I would expect THAT level of irritation. That said... I do think there is an entire team that is going to come to his defense at this point. You'd hope. More McDavid, Eichel, Crosby, Ovechkin, etc = more money for everyone in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 Aside from Don Cherries crazed rant on HNIC sat. night I've heard no one come out and say it was a deliberate intent to injure. I believe they intended to hit him no question. Lets be real. This is the Flyers. But that was just a hockey play that went wrong. As for Eich I think he is strong enough to survive in this league for the everyday grind and he's proven that so far but its the knee on knee hit I worry about. Those things happen but would a team go out and target a knee ? I'm not so sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 I think Jack is perfectly capable of defending himself. His physical presence is coming along as well...he's checking and he's getting in on scrums. He's a big, strong guy, who, in my opinion, was the more durable option between he and McDavid at the draft. That said, D-Lo, McGinn, Foligno, Rasmus, Kane, Gorges, Weber, and Zemgus are all there to protect him. I think believing that first sentence is hubris. It's just unrealistic. I also agree with it, at least mostly. Eichel seems to have a strong awareness of who's on the ice and whom to look out for. Back to the hubris remark, even if he can take care of himself I think DD and the team needs to make protecting him a priority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 (edited) I have yet to see any evidence that young stars are deliberately targeted. Tavares, Stamkos, Kane, MacKinnon...did any of those guys get run beyond what a normal hockey player does? I don't believe so. Not only do I think Eichel is capable of avoiding the big hit, I think the idea that he needs protection is more fallacy than fact. Edited November 11, 2015 by TrueBlueGED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eman Posted November 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 McGinn, Deslauriers Right you are Lanny, I forgot about McGinn and Deslauriers. Deslauriers is pretty handy with the fists. I'm not saying Jack isn't capable, I just don't want to see him have to do it and then get a stupid injury because of it. I believe Jack has brought the confidence level of this entire team up a notch combined with Bylsma's excellent coaching so far, that we don't need a "set back" of an Eichel injury. Not sure of Gorges and Zemgus ability to throw down (despite Z's size) As it stands right now I can see this team being a legit playoff contender but as the season goes on, and playoff positioning becomes intense, I can also see a team trying to get his game by any means necessary. But you're right, Marcus, McGinn and Deslauriers are there. Good to know! Here's hoping it isn't even an issue. I have yet to see any evidence that young stars are deliberately targeted. Tavares, Stamkos, Kane, MacKinnon...did any of those guys get run beyond what a normal hockey player does? I don't believe so. Not only do I think Eichel is capable of avoiding the big hit, I think the idea that he needs protection is more fallacy than fact. True enough. I just don't want Jack to be the first of this new breed ghat gets nailed. That would just be Buffalo's luck that someone does target him. You never know who another team calls up and wants to make an impression by being a douche. Again, here's hoping that isn't the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 Well with Eichel is harder than with McDavid. In the OHL playoffs last year it was a thing that if you were physical with McDavid it ruffled his feathers and got him off his game, he reacted to it. Jack has ice veins as far as I can tell, he just keeps on keeping on. Btw McDavid is still a really great player and probably a little better than Jack Eichel but I like our American thoroughbred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 You don't need someone who you think will "WIN ALL FIGHTS", you just need someone who will drop them at any moment. That's protection. Whether they win or lose the fight isn't as important as the other team knowing there are folks willing to dance if they as so much as check Eichel the wrong way. Regarding whether stars are targeted more than others, I don't think they are, either. Not in this era of hockey. Maybe 20-30 years ago there would have been a greater chance because there were a lot more goons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 You don't need someone who you think will "WIN ALL FIGHTS", you just need someone who will drop them at any moment. That's protection. Whether they win or lose the fight isn't as important as the other team knowing there are folks willing to dance if they as so much as check Eichel the wrong way. Regarding whether stars are targeted more than others, I don't think they are, either. Not in this era of hockey. Maybe 20-30 years ago there would have been a greater chance because there were a lot more goons. I agree. You target a star in todays NHL wrong and you'll get your ass beat down and you will get shuffled out of the league. A lot of money is at stake for guys and they want to stay in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 I think Jack is perfectly capable of defending himself. His physical presence is coming along as well...he's checking and he's getting in on scrums. He's a big, strong guy, who, in my opinion, was the more durable option between he and McDavid at the draft. That said, D-Lo, McGinn, Foligno, Rasmus, Kane, Gorges, Weber, and Zemgus are all there to protect him. Not to mention Bettman, Campbell, and Quintal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 Not to mention Bettman, Campbell, and Quintal. :flirt: I guess you're right; the league is not going to want cheap shot artists taking out their most exciting players. It's been so long since a most exciting player was a Sabre that it's hard to image the league discipline office being on our side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 I'm not sure Jack cares even if they do. In the lats 5 games or so he's deliberately gone out of his way to hit other players and get in their faces. I wouldn't be surprised to see him get into a fight at some point this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 he'll get cheapshotted. It's inevitable. Most players get one tossed their way eventually. Hopefully the kid doesn't injure easily. A genuine tough guy on his wing might help. But it might not. The days of Semenko on Gretz's wing are over. Hopefully we build the team so the opponent is too busy chasing us to line up an elbow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcal Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 The only thing I saw in the McDavid injury was a guy who took a shot and twisted enough to put his center of gravity on the wrong side of his edges. Once that happened he was going to fall over. Given where he was at he was most likely going to come away with some serious hurting. The problem was made worse by him taking out two Flyers defenders with him. I don't see anything cheap there at all. It's an unfortunate play and McDavid is responsible for taking out the Flyers players as well. I don't think anyone is going to cheap shot Eichel. He's already one of the faces of the game. He's likely to get some extra bumps and a few other knock downs but as far as a pure cheap shot goes? I don't think so. There was a ideo posted a few years back that I believe showed Gallagher against the Bruins. He gets dropped by the goalie, then the defender knocks him down, and then he gets knocked down again all while just trying to get out of the Bruins zone and get back into the play. I would expect THAT level of irritation. That said... I do think there is an entire team that is going to come to his defense at this point. Not sure how to bold.the.on ething I wanted to respond to but Gallagher is an and was taking extra swipes at those guys all game and got what he deserves. I don't think u can put Jack in the same category, he will embarrass guys with his skill and cause some frustration whacks but nothing like what Gallagher got. My main concern is guys whack in away at him while he glides by, skill guys have to protect their wrists imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Collection Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 Guys like Matt Cooke and Raffi Torres can shorten a career. League needs to continue to hand out suspensions for the cheap shots. Having a nuclear deterrent doesn't stop those kinds of players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 I'm worried about Zac Rinaldo trying some with him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 So Jack Eichel, he's fast. And he's a good singer. Just ask him. He'll tell ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 The Big Johnson, on 11 Nov 2015 - 10:29 PM, said:So Jack Eichel, he's fast. And he's a good singer. Just ask him. He'll tell ya. Love it. Love the attitude of this guy. None of this serious, mushy, introspective crap. Just bold, in your face, almost crazy. Love it to pieces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 almost crazy. This. The Sabres have a loose locker room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 So Jack Eichel, he's fast. And he's a good singer. Just ask him. He'll tell ya. This is hilarious, and awesome :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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