X. Benedict Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 Dumping and getting it back will be a trademark of this team this year. The weakness in that effort is the inability of Weber and Franzen to support by getting to the blue line and supporting. The opposition will simply fire it up the boards to get it out and then you are trapped in the o zone. Bogo should help a bit especially if we can split up those two. That's exactly what was happening...and he should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 We've got a live one here. Anyone guess who our latest arrival is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jsixspd Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 The Curse of Russ Brandon? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsb Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 Wow, we have a very young team, new coach, most players haven't played together much and after 2 games against the Stanley Cup Finalist and a team that is 25-4-4 in their last 33 regular season games and PANIC is the word. Just WOW. I would think sometime around Thanksgiving we'll be able to give a real analysis as to how we're doing. Early analysis: we won the Kane-Bogo vs. Myer-Staff trade hands down. Kane looks beastly. Foligno is playing better than I would have expected, giving them some muscle down low Mark Pysyk won't be going to Rochester anytime soon They miss Bogosian right now. Tampa Bay with a very fortunate bounce off goal to Stamkos for their 3rd goal. Otherwise they played a decent game. Also I haven't seen noted was their 2nd goal off the power play caused by too many men on the ice. Otherwise that's a 1-1 game in the 3rd. Shots on goal so far this year although not much of a indicator of play but does show they are much more competitive than many are giving them credit for. Saw Zadarov play against the Stars yesterday. Kid looked better than I expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 There's no panic. Anyone saying that is panicking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sicknfla Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 Wow, we have a very young team, new coach, most players haven't played together much and after 2 games against the Stanley Cup Finalist and a team that is 25-4-4 in their last 33 regular season games and PANIC is the word. Just WOW. I would think sometime around Thanksgiving we'll be able to give a real analysis as to how we're doing. Early analysis: we won the Kane-Bogo vs. Myer-Staff trade hands down. Kane looks beastly. Foligno is playing better than I would have expected, giving them some muscle down low Mark Pysyk won't be going to Rochester anytime soon They miss Bogosian right now. Tampa Bay with a very fortunate bounce off goal to Stamkos for their 3rd goal. Otherwise they played a decent game. Also I haven't seen noted was their 2nd goal off the power play caused by too many men on the ice. Otherwise that's a 1-1 game in the 3rd. Shots on goal so far this year although not much of a indicator of play but does show they are much more competitive than many are giving them credit for. Saw Zadarov play against the Stars yesterday. Kid looked better than I expected. Zadarov is the one player that I knew Murray was determined to trade that i didn't want him to. He was young and immature but in 2 years we will be kicking ourselves firmly in the ass on that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 (edited) Maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Bylsma say recently that he leans more towards having set pairs on offense, for each of the lines, rather than set 3 man combinations for each? If that is the case, perhaps we can expect all 4 lines to have two players in the same place consistently, with the third man on each line being shuffled around a fair bit. It seems like up until this point, we can count on Eichel and Kane being together, while the third guy on that line may change fairly frequently. I would rather it be Eichel and Moulson, but that is a separate conversation. Edited October 11, 2015 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 Maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Bylsma say recently that he leans more towards having set pairs on offense, for each of the lines, rather than set 3 man combinations for each? If that is the case, perhaps we can expect all 4 lines to have two players in the same place consistently, with the third man on each line being shuffled around a fair bit. It seems like up until this point, we can count on Eichel and Kane being together, while the third guy on that line may change fairly frequently. I would rather it be Eichel and Moulson, but that is a separate conversation. This is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 Maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Bylsma say recently that he leans more towards having set pairs on offense, for each of the lines, rather than set 3 man combinations for each? If that is the case, perhaps we can expect all 4 lines to have two players in the same place consistently, with the third man on each line being shuffled around a fair bit. It seems like up until this point, we can count on Eichel and Kane being together, while the third guy on that line may change fairly frequently. I would rather it be Eichel and Moulson, but that is a separate conversation. It seems to be correct, but I wonder what the third pair is supposed to be once Gionta is back? Larsson and Girgs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 Someone tell Gionta to stop panicking. He called the dreaded players only meeting. Good for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 What's changed is: Deeze Nuts promises change, that's why I'm voting for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 Wow, we have a very young team, new coach, most players haven't played together much and after 2 games against the Stanley Cup Finalist and a team that is 25-4-4 in their last 33 regular season games and PANIC is the word. Just WOW. I would think sometime around Thanksgiving we'll be able to give a real analysis as to how we're doing. Early analysis: we won the Kane-Bogo vs. Myer-Staff trade hands down. Kane looks beastly. Foligno is playing better than I would have expected, giving them some muscle down low Mark Pysyk won't be going to Rochester anytime soon They miss Bogosian right now. Tampa Bay with a very fortunate bounce off goal to Stamkos for their 3rd goal. Otherwise they played a decent game. Also I haven't seen noted was their 2nd goal off the power play caused by too many men on the ice. Otherwise that's a 1-1 game in the 3rd. Shots on goal so far this year although not much of a indicator of play but does show they are much more competitive than many are giving them credit for. Saw Zadarov play against the Stars yesterday. Kid looked better than I expected. Mark Pysyk will never be going to Rochester because he will never clear waivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 To the learned: I have an observation that's neither praise nor criticism. Is my observation correct? Kane is a different cat. I am used to seeing five guys perform as a unit and I anticipate each as the game plays out. When Kane's on the ice, I see an uber talent creating by himself and four others positioning to be successful situationally as he creates. This isn't criticism! In fact, his singlemindedness is refreshing. Am I on to something? If so, do we encourage this and ride its uniqueness? Who does he compare to? While I'm not drawing any comparison, I had the same style feel when watching Ovechkin, especially early in Ovi's career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 To the learned: I have an observation that's neither praise nor criticism. Is my observation correct? Kane is a different cat. I am used to seeing five guys perform as a unit and I anticipate each as the game plays out. When Kane's on the ice, I see an uber talent creating by himself and four others positioning to be successful situationally as he creates. This isn't criticism! In fact, his singlemindedness is refreshing. Am I on to something? If so, do we encourage this and ride its uniqueness? Who does he compare to? While I'm not drawing any comparison, I had the same style feel when watching Ovechkin, especially early in Ovi's career. I think it will work fine as long as the 2nd best player on the team is the one standing around waiting for him to do something. :wallbash: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 Kane is a bit of a one man show which to me is troublesome. Use your linemates. That being said it'll take some time for these cats to gel into a cohesive unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 To the learned: I have an observation that's neither praise nor criticism. Is my observation correct? Kane is a different cat. I am used to seeing five guys perform as a unit and I anticipate each as the game plays out. When Kane's on the ice, I see an uber talent creating by himself and four others positioning to be successful situationally as he creates. This isn't criticism! In fact, his singlemindedness is refreshing. Am I on to something? If so, do we encourage this and ride its uniqueness? Who does he compare to? While I'm not drawing any comparison, I had the same style feel when watching Ovechkin, especially early in Ovi's career. I would agree with this. Kane is tenacious both with and without the puck but he definitely prefers to carry the puck. I think it's a mistake to pair him with Eichel. I think he'd be better off paired with O'Reilly or even Reinhart. Eichel seems to prefer to carry the puck as well so he should be paired with a guy like Moulson who has made a career out of camping out near the net and taking advantage of playmakers on hs line. Kane O'Reilly Ennis Moulson Eichel Gionta Larrson Girgensons Reinhart (pick your center) Deslauriers Legwand Foligno Ideally I'd have Gionta as the 3rd line RW and put Reinhart with Kane and O'Reilly and Ennis with Eichel and Moulson but DB seems intent on putting Gionta in the top 6 when healthy. I don't like having 2 rookies on the same line so I'd put Reinhart on the 3rd line and pair him with Larsson and Girgensons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 To the learned: I have an observation that's neither praise nor criticism. Is my observation correct? Kane is a different cat. I am used to seeing five guys perform as a unit and I anticipate each as the game plays out. When Kane's on the ice, I see an uber talent creating by himself and four others positioning to be successful situationally as he creates. This isn't criticism! In fact, his singlemindedness is refreshing. Am I on to something? If so, do we encourage this and ride its uniqueness? Who does he compare to? While I'm not drawing any comparison, I had the same style feel when watching Ovechkin, especially early in Ovi's career. I think this is mostly right, which is why he needs to skate with players who are very effective away from the puck (read: not Eichel). I also don't think it's going to change at this stage of his career, and it will cause considerable angst for some. Kane is a bit of a one man show which to me is troublesome. Use your linemates. That being said it'll take some time for these cats to gel into a cohesive unit. Kane has been in the league for what, six years now? I think he is who he is. I don't have a major issue with it, but he's gotta be with the right linemates for it to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 Eichel has said he loves to pass the puck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 Kane's mantra has been the team needs to be harder on the puck. He embodies that. Surround him with others of the same mindset, (Girgs is my preference) and he will not feel or see the need to try and do it himself. then I think you will see him be more deferential to his linemates. Now he sees a need to be pressuring the puck and he does it. Hopefully it is contagious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 Eichel has said he loves to pass the puck. Which requires him to have the puck in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 (edited) To the learned: I have an observation that's neither praise nor criticism. Is my observation correct? Kane is a different cat. I am used to seeing five guys perform as a unit and I anticipate each as the game plays out. When Kane's on the ice, I see an uber talent creating by himself and four others positioning to be successful situationally as he creates. This isn't criticism! In fact, his singlemindedness is refreshing. Am I on to something? If so, do we encourage this and ride its uniqueness? Who does he compare to? While I'm not drawing any comparison, I had the same style feel when watching Ovechkin, especially early in Ovi's career. He needs to be the focal point of his line and play with guy who will get him the puck and not need to get it back, a guy who plays elite hockey without the puck. Someday Reinhart will be his centre and all will be right in the universe. Reinhart's play to Legwand prior to the Deslauriers goal was thing of beauty. Thinking of Kane as the forechecker on that play, or as the finisher, should make you smile. Eichel has said he loves to pass the puck. He does, but after carrying it for a while (and getting bumped aside by Kane on his way to get to it). Edited October 12, 2015 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 I'll give them 20 games to gel offensively. Eichel and Kane look very good. O'Reilly seems to just be running around out there, seems like he's trying hard but he's turning the puck over and just seems out of position most of the time. Not really worried about it yet, but just a thing to watch. Him and Ennis haven't really clicked. Moulson has done absolutely nothing, not even getting chances. I'd like to see Kane/Eichel/Ennis together. With Girgensons centering O'Reilly and Moulson. The Larsson line is chipping in and creating chances, which is what you want from your third line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 Crosby was held pointless his first game, he shouldn't be makin' the big bucks. McDavid has zero points and is -1 in 2 games, bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 McDavid has zero points and is -1 in 2 games, bust. After the first game, Eichel was on pace for 82 goals. Now he's on pace for only 41.... BUST. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 After the first game, Eichel was on pace for 82 goals. Now he's on pace for only 41.... BUST. He's got to turn this around fast. He's also a selfish player since he's trending for no assists. Has anyone ever been in the top-10 of the league in goals with zero assists? He's trending for a -164, too, worst in NHL history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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