dudacek Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 Interesting thought, but this roster isnt close to finished, and Mike Babcock has never been a scout. IF Babcock leaves Detroit it will not be because he wants Hollands job it will be because of how Holland has done his job. Detroit needs to rebuild its blueline and geriatric core or the best outlook is to be stuck with a perennially middling roster. If Babcock comes to Buffalo it will be to work with Murray, not to surplant him. Absolutely. But if Babcock comes to Buffalo it will not be because of Murray, it will because of Pegula. It is Pegula who ordered the tank, creating the current situation here. It is Pegula who will set the hierarchy between Murray and his coach. And it is Pegula who will be defining the work environment, selling the organization, and making Babcock the offer he can't refuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 Absolutely. But if Babcock comes to Buffalo it will not be because of Murray, it will because of Pegula. It is Pegula who ordered the tank, creating the current situation here. It is Pegula who will set the hierarchy between Murray and his coach. And it is Pegula who will be defining the work environment, selling the organization, and making Babcock the offer he can't refuse. I think it just moved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 I think it just moved. I'd ask if it was a move or a shift, but there is NO WAY it was only a shift after that post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 This is what popped into my head after reading dudacek's post ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 Why not? Rich owner, new building coming, some guy named McDavid coming onboard soon. Small market and an owner who threatened to move the team unless he got a new arena -- who also has to keep paying a bunch of losers he just fired. Doesn't sound like a guy who wants to pay a coach 2x what the next-highest-paid coach is making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 Small market and an owner who threatened to move the team unless he got a new arena -- who also has to keep paying a bunch of losers he just fired. Doesn't sound like a guy who wants to pay a coach 2x what the next-highest-paid coach is making. Sounds like Terry, except Terry hasn't had the chance to put the squeeze on the taxpayers yet for a new downtown stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 Sounds like Terry, except Terry hasn't had the chance to put the squeeze on the taxpayers yet for a new downtown stadium. In what way does it sound like Terry? And are you going to pretend later that this isn't a shot at Terry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBHockey13 Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 Sounds like Terry, except Terry hasn't had the chance to put the squeeze on the taxpayers yet for a new downtown stadium. In what way does it sound like Terry? And are you going to pretend later that this isn't a shot at Terry? It sounds nothing like Terry. It sounds like the opposite of Terry. And it's definitely not going to be what Babcock believes because Babcock isn't delusional. But if someone thinks Katz is a better owner than Pegula I'm not sure what to say about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 Sounds like Terry, except Terry hasn't had the chance to put the squeeze on the taxpayers yet for a new downtown stadium. Oh dear god, shut up. Go find all the owners who have fired GMs and coaches and still pay them and have also put the squeeze on the taxpayer for a stadium, downtown or otherwise. This is sports and this happens all the time. Just shut up. Shut up. Shut up. You are trying to despise an owner, for being an owner. You are trying to blame Terry Pegula for doing things that owners do, day in and day out. He's not an exception. Nothing makes him worse. Every thread, everywhere.. this kind of crap comes up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBHockey13 Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 Oh dear god, shut up. Go find all the owners who have fired GMs and coaches and still pay them and have also put the squeeze on the taxpayer for a stadium, downtown or otherwise. This is sports and this happens all the time. Just shut up. Shut up. Shut up. You are trying to despise an owner, for being an owner. You are trying to blame Terry Pegula for doing things that owners do, day in and day out. He's not an exception. Nothing makes him worse. Every thread, everywhere.. this kind of crap comes up. :worthy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 It sounds nothing like Terry. It sounds like the opposite of Terry. And it's definitely not going to be what Babcock believes because Babcock isn't delusional. But if someone thinks Katz is a better owner than Pegula I'm not sure what to say about that. I can't believe you are suggesting Katz killed all those poor young girls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 Oh dear god, shut up. Go find all the owners who have fired GMs and coaches and still pay them and have also put the squeeze on the taxpayer for a stadium, downtown or otherwise. This is sports and this happens all the time. Just shut up. Shut up. Shut up. You are trying to despise an owner, for being an owner. You are trying to blame Terry Pegula for doing things that owners do, day in and day out. He's not an exception. Nothing makes him worse. Every thread, everywhere.. this kind of crap comes up. LTS -- while I agree completely with 99% of this post, "shut up" is not good board discourse. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 LTS -- while I agree completely with 99% of this post, "shut up" is not good board discourse. Thanks. shut up :nana: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrassValleyGreg Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 Sources: Todd McLellan on list of candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 LTS -- while I agree completely with 99% of this post, "shut up" is not good board discourse. Thanks. I don't know, I think those words hammered home his point appropriately. It was a very blunt way of letting people know that this garbage doesn't need to flood every single thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 (edited) I don't know, I think those words hammered home his point appropriately. It was a very blunt way of letting people know that this garbage doesn't need to flood every single thread. I think it needs to, so I'll continue doing it at every opportunity, especially when someone blames another owner for doing something Terry has done. Edited May 1, 2015 by @fakegorbyportwinestain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 Sources: Todd McLellan on list of candidates. This is Wawrow's report that I mentioned above. Despite its obviousness it is nice to hear something concrete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 This is going to be a long summer. Bank on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 @HeleneStJames: Mike Babcock says he's not made decision on future, will meet with Ken Holland next 10 days And have a plan moving forward. I think he will be allowed to talk to other teams with the Wings retaining the right to match any offer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 I think it needs to, so I'll continue doing it at every opportunity, especially when someone blames another owner for doing something Terry has done. Then don't throw a temper tantrum when someone calls you on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrassValleyGreg Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 Then don't throw a temper tantrum when someone calls you on it. This is a message board I'm sure of varying ages and levels of maturity. Surely, shut up does not deserve to be called out as untoward discourse. Further, the 2-person debate surrounding this does not deserve a full Board page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 Then don't throw a temper tantrum when someone calls you on it. Why should someone ever be "called" on their opinion? I get it. If you disagree, it's a narrative or agenda. Never mind that the biggest narrative on this board since February 2011 has been what a great owner the guy is. It started on Day One when multiple Cups were in our very near future. People make things up out of thin air. Terry will spend freely again when the time comes. Babcock will swoon when he meets the Pegulas, they are so wonderful and charming. I have watched it all for years and not told anyone to shut up or accused them of trolling. It's about respecting other opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 I think it needs to, so I'll continue doing it at every opportunity, especially when someone blames another owner for doing something Terry has done. I am honestly not even sure what you are saying Terry Pegula has done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 @HeleneStJames: Mike Babcock says he's not made decision on future, will meet with Ken Holland next 10 days And have a plan moving forward. I think he will be allowed to talk to other teams with the Wings retaining the right to match any offer As usual my predictions are dead wrong @Bill_Roose: Asked if he'd let Babcock explore options with other teams, Holland: "Right now no. We have exclusive negotiating rights until end of June." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBHockey13 Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 I think it needs to, so I'll continue doing it at every opportunity, especially when someone blames another owner for doing something Terry has done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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