#freejame Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 Coyote fans don't even know what's going on...they in no way shape or form deserve either of those players Lol I forgot about Bogo I'm not too sure about that first statement. I've interacted with plenty of highly knowledgable Coyotes fans and they very much know what's going on. If you think that because they are in Arizona they don't have smart fans, you're mistaken. I'd be willing to wager that the fans attending Coyotes games now are more knowledgable of hockey and their team than those attending Sabres games right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppy22 Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 It just hit me... the perfect next 2 weeks for the Sabres Fans would be: Lose on Monday and clinch McEichel. Win on Saturday when the arena will be supporting the Sabres for 60 minutes as loud as it has not been in the past 2 years while eliminating the Pens from the playoff race. Win the NHL 2015 Draft Lottery... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 I'm not too sure about that first statement. I've interacted with plenty of highly knowledgable Coyotes fans and they very much know what's going on. If you think that because they are in Arizona they don't have smart fans, you're mistaken. I'd be willing to wager that the fans attending Coyotes games now are more knowledgable of hockey and their team than those attending Sabres games right now.They also get an atta'boy for showing up for games while the Dogs are also tanking. It's no Florida. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matter2003 Posted April 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 They also get an atta'boy for showing up for games while the Dogs are also tanking. It's no Florida. That's because they are all fans of the other teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 That's because they are all fans of the other teams The same could be said about Florida and they still play to an empty barn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 2. Sabres beat incredible odds to finish 29th, resulting in the literally the worst ending of any Buffalo sports season ever. No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 I don't know, but the Sabres havn't had one in a very long time until last June. Now we'll have Reinhart and McEichel. And Kane and Bogo. That's 4 top 4 picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 I would say that is an understatement...he dominated college hockey as a Freshman For me it is McDavid all the way. McDavid is not dominating college hockey. In the end, either will be okay, but my preference is for McDavid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 good article on the Sabres strategic rebuild that led to the perceived tank http://www.diebytheblade.com/2015/4/6/8351661/thoughts-on-tanking-the-lottery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Last year there were 4-5 players at the top of the lottery that were nearly equal. This year there are two that are supposed to be "generational". Since 30th place will guarantee a team one of those two, then a proper tank job can make statistical sense. In a normal year a complete tank job to 30th place would gain a team a 20% chance of the first pick in the draft, which might not be all that much better than the next few picks. Hardly worth a complete tank job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Last year there were 4-5 players at the top of the lottery that were nearly equal. This year there are two that are supposed to be "generational". Since 30th place will guarantee a team one of those two, then a proper tank job can make statistical sense. In a normal year a complete tank job to 30th place would gain a team a 20% chance of the first pick in the draft, which might not be all that much better than the next few picks. Hardly worth a complete tank job. One "generational", one "elite". Otherwise, yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBHockey13 Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 One "generational", one "elite". Otherwise, yeah. If you have watched Jack Eichel you'd know that he is as generational as McDavid. The guy is unreal and he is playing against men relative to McDavid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 One "generational", one "elite". Otherwise, yeah. Regardless, they are both head and shoulders above the rest per consensus of all the top hockey minds. My contention is that if there weren't two players so far above the rest and it was only one, then tanking the season wouldn't be as important to teams. After all, the odds are very much against every lottery team of gaining the first pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 If you have watched Jack Eichel you'd know that he is as generational as McDavid. The guy is unreal and he is playing against men relative to McDavid. Maybe it's nitpicking differences about the term generational, but I haven't heard anyone that might be considered an expert in these things call Eichel "generational". Everything I've heard is, there is one generational talent and another elite but not generational. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Maybe it's nitpicking differences about the term generational, but I haven't heard anyone that might be considered an expert in these things call Eichel "generational". Everything I've heard is, there is one generational talent and another elite but not generational. Craig Button did. I don't care for him, but he said it. Then he followed it up with "Canada doesn't know how good Jack Eichel is." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Craig Button did. I don't care for him, but he said it. Then he followed it up with "Canada doesn't know how good Jack Eichel is." He probably meant Ontario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpandean Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 (edited) Well, the good news is that, of the seven "kicks at the can" (3 Sabres games, 3 Coyotes games, draft lottery) for McEichel, last night was the one that I gave the longest odds against. Unfortunately, tonight's game was second. Edited April 7, 2015 by carpandean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasmus_ Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 So what needs to happen based on the outcome of the Carolina game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpandean Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 (edited) So what needs to happen based on the outcome of the Carolina game? The only thing that has changed is the number of chances to lock this up. We needed one of the following three in the final six games to clinch: one regulation loss by the Sabres, one win by the Coyotes or a combination of any two OT/SO losses by either team. Now, we need the same but in the final five games. The odds are still well in the Sabres' favor, but they got a little worse last night. For example, if you think that each game has a 1/3 chance of going the Sabres' way (and the same odds would be true in the draft lottery should they finish 29th), then their odds of drafting one of McDavid or Eichel went from (1/3)^7 = 94% to (1/3)^6 = 91%. Edited April 7, 2015 by carpandean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 The only thing that has changed is the number of chances to lock this up. We needed one of the following three in the final six games to clinch: one regulation loss by the Sabres, one win by the Coyotes or a combination of any two OT/SO losses by either team. Now, we need the same but in the final five games. The odds are still well in the Sabres' favor, but they got a little worse last night. For example, if you think that each game has a 1/3 chance of going the Sabres' way (and the same odds would be true in the draft lottery should they finish 29th), then their odds of drafting one of McDavid or Eichel went from (1/3)^7 = 94% to (1/3)^6 = 91%. Which is pretty close to the sportsclubstats odds: 96% -> 93%. My gut feel is that the Yotes pick up at least 1 vs the Nucks. I'd also expect the BJ's to beat the Sabres. IF those don't happen, there are serious butterflies in the Pens game, though the Pens SHOULD beat the Sabres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpandean Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 Makarov sent down. Hackett against the Blue Jackets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 Makarov sent down. Hackett against the Blue Jackets? Could be. But it could also be so he can get in a game with Rochester on Thursday before coming back up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 Could be. But it could also be so he can get in a game with Rochester on Thursday before coming back up. What better way to get him (un)ready for NHL shooters than a game in the A? ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 What better way to get him (un)ready for NHL shooters than a game in the A? ;) Maybe 'Ders gets the start Friday, and the nuclear option if needed is Makarov in net Saturday, after games in the AHL on both Thursday and Friday? Triple start for Makarov.. :w00t: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBHockey13 Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 I actually lost sleep last night because of this. I wish I was kidding. We're just one stinking Sabres loss or Yotes win away and we can't get it. I'm losing my mind, I tell you! :cry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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