dudacek Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 I would trade any pick in this draft. Once Laine and Matthews are gone, it wouldn't take a star either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 The Sabres are currently 8th in the draft order, granted a few teams behind them have games in hand, but at what draft position would you consider trading the 2016 1st for an established player under the age of 24? This was discussed on WGR this morning. Personally I would not do it this, because of where the draft is located. As always, depends on the player and pick. Would I trade #5 straight up for Fowler? Probably not. Lindolm? Now we're talkin! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 (edited) http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/2016-nhl-draft-lottery-simulator-percentage-auston-matthews-standings-maple-leafs-oilers-flames-canadiens-senators-canucks-jets/ If we don't get a top 3 pick we'll be in the late 8 - 10 range each time. http://nhllotterysimulator.com/#/2016 if you want to get frustrated :p Edited March 8, 2016 by Huckleberry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude_Verret Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 If it's a known established player I think it would go over well with the fans. Especially if they pick up another first at some point. But also: don't make decisions based on what the fans think. We're mostly stupid. Yes what did Marv used to say? Once you let the collective fan voice begin to influence your decisions, you'll soon find yourself sitting with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoPre Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 I would trade any pick in this draft. Once Laine and Matthews are gone, it wouldn't take a star either. What about Chychrun, Tkachuk, or Nylander? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 http://nhllotterysimulator.com/#/2016 if you want to get frustrated :P Holy frustration. Took me about 50 tries before the Sabres won the lottery. Meanwhile New Jersey must of won it 10 times in that span Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 at what draft position would you consider trading the 2016 1st for an established player under the age of 24? This was discussed on WGR this morning. Personally I would not do it this, because of where the draft is located. Are you saying the team would make a significant long-term personnel decision based on a desire to play to the home crowd? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 What about Chychrun, Tkachuk, or Nylander? Chychrun could be like Bogo, a physical specimen who might not get it enough to become a first pair guy. Nylander I see like Boedker, a complimentary top six skill winger, but not a guy you lean on. Tkachuk is my favourite out of the three — not because I think he's elite, but because his game would be such a great complement to Jack's. Each is potentially a good to very good player in 3-5 years. But I trade the chance to draft one for a good to very good 22- to 26-year-old player now in a heartbeat, if that player has the skillset we are missing (wingman for Jack, smooth first-pair left D). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoPre Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 Chychrun could be like Bogo, a physical specimen who might not get it enough to become a first pair guy. Nylander I see like Boedker, a complimentary top six skill winger, but not a guy you lean on. Tkachuk is my favourite out of the three — not because I think he's elite, but because his game would be such a great complement to Jack's. Each is potentially a good to very good player in 3-5 years. But I trade the chance to draft one for a good to very good 22- to 26-year-old player now in a heartbeat, if that player has the skillset we are missing (wingman for Jack, smooth first-pair left D). Good point. W/ the amount of picks + a prospect or current Sabre, Murray may be able to get Fowler. Would be very happy if Buffalo could land Ekman-Larsson, but Arizona has already said he is not on the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 It's not a trade you can make prior to there and then on the draft floor. If Sergachev is there at 8, I draft him no questions asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 It's not a trade you can make prior to there and then on the draft floor. If Sergachev is there at 8, I draft him no questions asked. Haven't seen much of Sergachev so I reserve the right to change my mind. But unless he is Risto, I trade the pick for Fowler. I'd rather have the real thing than a I guy who might one day become him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabresith Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 It's not a trade you can make prior to there and then on the draft floor. If Sergachev is there at 8, I draft him no questions asked. I ended up watching the Windsor/Kingston game on Sunday because of your review of Sergachev. The guy looked very average to me. He even got blown up by a little winger. So assuming that was one of his worst games. What is it that makes you so high on him? I'm just really starting to dislike the d-men in this draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoPre Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 (edited) Haven't seen much of Sergachev so I reserve the right to change my mind. But unless he is Risto, I trade the pick for Fowler. I'd rather have the real thing than a I guy who might one day become him. And I heard a GM named Tim....something thinks like that. I like to call it Murray's Law. Anything that can go right, will go right. Edited March 8, 2016 by GoPre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 I ended up watching the Windsor/Kingston game on Sunday because of your review of Sergachev. The guy looked very average to me. He even got blown up by a little winger. So assuming that was one of his worst games. What is it that makes you so high on him? I'm just really starting to dislike the d-men in this draft. He's 17, playing his first year in NA, and outplaying IMPO the other defenders at the top of this draft. He has good passes and skating. I plan on trying to watch a few more of his games because maybe I have just seen a couple where he plays his best. I wish Chychrun had improved instead of just kinda being mediocre all season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 Are you saying the team would make a significant long-term personnel decision based on a desire to play to the home crowd? Yes, but that is also one of the three million reasons I am not a NHL GM ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 Yes, but that is also one of the three million reasons I am not a NHL GM ;) They can make the announcement on the floor if they want to and get all the cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 (edited) Yes, but that is also one of the three million reasons I am not a NHL GM ;) Haha - nice. They can make the announcement on the floor if they want to and get all the cheers. Was thinking the same thing. I'd be WAY more pumped to hear that GM TM moved the (7th, 9th, etc. overall) pick as part of a deal for an NHL-ready prospect than I would be for the pick itself. Edited March 8, 2016 by That Aud Smell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted March 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 Chychrun could be like Bogo, a physical specimen who might not get it enough to become a first pair guy. Nylander I see like Boedker, a complimentary top six skill winger, but not a guy you lean on. Tkachuk is my favourite out of the three — not because I think he's elite, but because his game would be such a great complement to Jack's. Each is potentially a good to very good player in 3-5 years. But I trade the chance to draft one for a good to very good 22- to 26-year-old player now in a heartbeat, if that player has the skillset we are missing (wingman for Jack, smooth first-pair left D). I'll take the player who is going to better in 3 to 5 years when they are ready to challenge for the cup. This is about putting together a team that has the best chance at winning the cup not about merely being a play-off contender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 I'll take the player who is going to better in 3 to 5 years when they are ready to challenge for the cup. This is about putting together a team that has the best chance at winning the cup not about merely being a play-off contender. 3-5 years? From now? Nonsense. We should be contending in two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted March 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 3-5 years? From now? Nonsense. We should be contending in two years. That's pretty optimistic thinking as they can barely beat a bunch of AHL players at the moment. I hope you are right but I think its more likely that next year they contend the for 8th spot, the year following they make the playoffs. Maybe get to the 2nd round? 3rd year - now we are contending. Year 5 we are winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 Depending on this offseason, I think we'll be better than an 8th seed next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 (edited) Haven't seen much of Sergachev so I reserve the right to change my mind. But unless he is Risto, I trade the pick for Fowler. I'd rather have the real thing than a I guy who might one day become him. Exactly. Again, bird in the hand. 3-5 years? From now? Nonsense. We should be contending in two years. And any player GMTM would trade the pick for, you would think would be young enough to contribute handsomely over that entire time frame and then some. Acquiring the current player, depending on his age, doesn't cost us anything in 5 years. It would cost us something in around 10. And we can't be worrying about year 10 right now when we have to worry about the next few. Edited March 9, 2016 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted March 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Depending on this offseason, I think we'll be better than an 8th seed next year They barely beat an AHL team on Monday night. I can't see how you can predict they will be any better than a contender for a play-off spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 They barely beat an AHL team on Monday night. I can't see how you can predict they will be any better than a contender for a play-off spot. 20+ point improvement from last year, with 2 rookies being our leading scorers, Ennis missing time, an AHL defense, and our goalie missing 1/2 the year. I think we can contend for a division spot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 20+ point improvement from last year, with 2 rookies being our leading scorers, Ennis missing time, an AHL defense, and our goalie missing 1/2 the year. I think we can contend for a division spot I still think we are 3-4 new players away. GMTM has certainly shown the propensity to add difference makers, hopefully he can pick up some D and done wingers. I fully expect 2 of our wing prospects to make the jump next season. Signing a vet sniper and a #2 D should be his priority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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