Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Let's see...what are the salary caps again? $120 million and $71 million? Yes...men were men......maybe I am in the minority. I'd much rather join the VFW and pay $1.50 for a beer than go and pay $70 for a 3 hour figure skating show and $8 beers.... Not there yet...getting close.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 (edited) Let's see...what are the salary caps again? $120 million and $71 million? Yes...men were men......maybe I am in the minority. I'd much rather join the VFW and pay $1.50 for a beer than go and pay $70 for a 3 hour figure skating show and $8 beers.... Not there yet...getting close.... They make lots of money so it's understood that their quality of life (most of which should take place after professional hockey) is not a concern? How are they going to live long enough to spend all that money? I am so far off from the way you think about this. And men can slam into one another on ice at any level of hockey. The NHL is the level where the skill allows for amazing hockey. Edited December 18, 2013 by qwksndmonster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 They make lots of money so it's understood that their quality of life (most of which should take place after professional hockey) is not a concern? How are they going to live long enough to spend all that money? I am so far off from the way you think about this. And men can slam into one another on ice at any level of hockey. The NHL is the level where the skill allows for amazing hockey. I heard a former NFL player talking off camera a little while ago. He said he was a part of the class action suit against the NFL by default only because he was in the PA. He thinks it's BS because at any time, he would have signed a waiver in order to play in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Let's see...what are the salary caps again? $120 million and $71 million? Ahh, yes. The "they're paid lots of money" justification. Seriously, man. Up yo game! I'd much rather join the VFW and pay $1.50 for a beer than go and pay $70 for a 3 hour figure skating show and $8 beers.... Not there yet...getting close.... Right. Because if the league seeks to rid itself of hits that needlessly drive players head-first into the boards, then the game will become a form of figure skating. I think you'd much rather stick with your Sabres/NHL/figure skating fandom and b!tch about the purportedly wussified state of the game and league on this message board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Preferences for a more or less physical game obviously will vary from person-to-person. Personally, I still think one-on-one fighting has a place in the game if both guys agree to the scrap. And, I like a physical hard-checking brand of hockey. But, anyone who has ever played the game at any level knows you don't blindside a guy at full speed when he is three feet from the boards. I doubt you'll find a single player or former player who will disagree... that just isn't a good hockey play. If he was on the boards, or maybe even at mid-ice, then I don't really have a problem with the hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 I heard a former NFL player talking off camera a little while ago. He said he was a part of the class action suit against the NFL by default only because he was in the PA. He thinks it's BS because at any time, he would have signed a waiver in order to play in the NFL. If he thought the class action was such BS, he could have just opted out, just like any members of it have the option to opt out of the settlement. My guess is he collects his share. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 If he thought the class action was such BS, he could have just opted out, just like any members of it have the option to opt out of the settlement. My guess is he collects his share. My guess is he will. [/red herring] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 (edited) When I see people say "this is hockey" in defense of these dangerous hits, I wonder how they type that out with their earth-withered knuckles. As far as the lawsuits go: the NFL's was legitimate. They lied to players about head injuries back in the day. They didn't start actually acting on them until 2000. The NHL's is BS because they've been working hard to help prevent these things since the early 80s. Edited December 18, 2013 by DStebb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Blues sign Steen to three-year extension The St. Louis Blues on Wednesday signed forward Alexander Steen to a three-year contract extension worth $17.4 million. He is in the final season of a four-year, $13.45 million contract and would have been an unrestricted free agent this summer. Steen leads the Blues in goals (22) and points (36) this season. He is tied with Corey Perry of the Anaheim Ducks for second among all NHL players with 22 goals, trailing the Washington Capitals' Alex Ovechkin, who has 28. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 I heard a former NFL player talking off camera a little while ago. He said he was a part of the class action suit against the NFL by default only because he was in the PA. He thinks it's BS because at any time, he would have signed a waiver in order to play in the NFL. Chronic dehydration and rehydration can also cause brain swelling and related problems. You see it in some dialysis patients most severely because they filter right off the blood, but when you pull salts and water, the first thing your body does is rush extra water to balance the brain. Big guys' bodies go through added flux given the fact they are burning so much in such a short period of time, repeatedly. Urea and nitrates build up quicker. Then say an intense period of time like training camp with 2 a-days....these guys are putting their bodies through a series of 60-100 potential episodes of brain swelling. I'm sure hits contribute to plenty of brain issues, but I am interested in the numbers of former players at certain positions. I would hypothesize that the rate of brain disease goes up with weight. Of course, the NFL can't very well come out with this as any of their defense....as it's probably even more damning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 Ahh, yes. The "they're paid lots of money" justification. Seriously, man. Up yo game! Right. Because if the league seeks to rid itself of hits that needlessly drive players head-first into the boards, then the game will become a form of figure skating. I think you'd much rather stick with your Sabres/NHL/figure skating fandom and b!tch about the purportedly wussified state of the game and league on this message board. It's almost like porn to people. "Oh...look at that hit...how disgusting...we have to get rid of it." Then the borders fade as to what is a legit hit and what is a true dirty hit because everyone is on a Larry Flint witch hunt. How many dozens of hits have been posted here? I don't even bother talking about them. I think there isn't even an honest discussion...just bandwagon outrage. I happened to see all the outrage about Wilson headhunting Schenn from the blueline and this and that.....I seriously have no idea what is going into peoples' evaluation process. The more you regulate, the more need to regulate, the less efficient. I'm seeing this in both the game itself, and the discussion of it. Which is why I pretty much never comment on these things anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyldnwoody44 Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 Just get rid of the DOPS and let the players police the game, sounds ridiculous and ludicrous I know, but it would make some guys think twice about certain "borderline" hits when you have Scott or Subban or emery ready to box you.... Just don't worry about Myers attacking you with his new Michael Kors purse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 It's almost like porn to people. "Oh...look at that hit...how disgusting...we have to get rid of it." Then the borders fade as to what is a legit hit and what is a true dirty hit because everyone is on a Larry Flint witch hunt. How many dozens of hits have been posted here? I don't even bother talking about them. I think there isn't even an honest discussion...just bandwagon outrage. I happened to see all the outrage about Wilson headhunting Schenn from the blueline and this and that.....I seriously have no idea what is going into peoples' evaluation process. The more you regulate, the more need to regulate, the less efficient. I'm seeing this in both the game itself, and the discussion of it. Which is why I pretty much never comment on these things anymore. While I cannot understand how a fan of the game can look at that malicious charge and say its part of the game (it's nearly a to the letter major charging penalty with an automatic game misconduct for the injury), I do agree with you about the ticky-tack suspensions. The dpos needs to go big or go home. US attorney style. 95% conviction rates and sentences not in white collar minimum security country clubs, but in Federal pound me in the ass prison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 Just get rid of the DOPS and let the players police the game, sounds ridiculous and ludicrous I know, but it would make some guys think twice about certain "borderline" hits when you have Scott or Subban or emery ready to box you.... Just don't worry about Myers attacking you with his new Michael Kors purse I kind of agree. The NHL can't make up its mind if its a blood lust sport or a finesse game. You can see it in the explanation of the dirty hits videos. Always some qualification as to why dirty hits are clean and clean hits are dirty. Just draw a line in the sand and don't cross it. Federal pound me in the ass prison. Great reference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 I still want to know when body checking became synonymous with hitting. Because last I checked, the "hockey play" is a body check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 Chronic dehydration and rehydration can also cause brain swelling and related problems. You see it in some dialysis patients most severely because they filter right off the blood, but when you pull salts and water, the first thing your body does is rush extra water to balance the brain. Big guys' bodies go through added flux given the fact they are burning so much in such a short period of time, repeatedly. Urea and nitrates build up quicker. Then say an intense period of time like training camp with 2 a-days....these guys are putting their bodies through a series of 60-100 potential episodes of brain swelling. I'm sure hits contribute to plenty of brain issues, but I am interested in the numbers of former players at certain positions. I would hypothesize that the rate of brain disease goes up with weight. Of course, the NFL can't very well come out with this as any of their defense....as it's probably even more damning. And say it's all true. How many of the guys playing, when shown all the data, would sign a waiver to play anyway,… which was my original point, It makes the- Ahh, yes. The "they're paid lots of money" justification. -argument meaningless. It absolutely is about money and these guys know exactly what they are getting themselves into. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 (edited) Just get rid of the DOPS and let the players police the game, sounds ridiculous and ludicrous I know, but it would make some guys think twice about certain "borderline" hits when you have Scott or Subban or emery ready to box you.... Just don't worry about Myers attacking you with his new Michael Kors purse Get rid of the instigator rule and hard "pads," and I'm getting a lot closer to being on board with this. Look at some games from the 70s and 80s, and the pads they had. Not armor. Edited December 19, 2013 by Eleven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 And say it's all true. How many of the guys playing, when shown all the data, would sign a waiver to play anyway,… which was my original point, It makes the- -argument meaningless. It absolutely is about money and these guys know exactly what they are getting themselves into. For sure...even without the money, most love the game at the lower level. Alcohol damages your brain too...but I'm guessing about 85% of this board signs that waiver nearly every weekend.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnkirishone Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 I will tell you whats wrong with that hit. Schenn is a victim of playing in a era where they put near full blame on the hitter. He had no reason to have situtational awareness nor the need to bother to expect a hit. Had this play happened 10 years or more ago Schenn would have been raked over the coals for putting himself in a vulnerable spot. I agree with Drane on this (talk about rare) there is nothing wrong with that hit. Wilson did everything I want a forward to do, he came in fast on the forecheck, he was decisive and on the toes of his skates, and last he finished his check. If you want to blame someone blame Schenn's teammates for not being in a position to give him a dumpoff. Also before someone wiseasses me like they did Drane, yes I have played hockey for many years and I stand by saying everything in this play was good except Schenn putting himself in that position. The hit was good, the response from the flyers was good, even Wilson getting a phone hearing is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 While I cannot understand how a fan of the game can look at that malicious charge and say its part of the game (it's nearly a to the letter major charging penalty with an automatic game misconduct for the injury), I do agree with you about the ticky-tack suspensions. The dpos needs to go big or go home. US attorney style. 95% conviction rates and sentences not in white collar minimum security country clubs, but in Federal pound me in the ass prison. This makes the most sense. I am one that says, get rid of the instigator, helmet drop and visor rule, icing, bring back the red line, and you would probably see 80% of these questionable things go away. The pads as well to a point. I don't think it turns into blood sport, it just stops the loopholes and guys getting lax. If they want to get rid of fighting and hitting, then just do it. And on Wilson/Schenn...Wilson changed course 3 times and 5 players were within a 3 foot radius of the puck with 3 guys touching it from the time Wilson strided forward. It's in the corner. Schenn tried to turn away and still got caught clean. Maybe boarding, but even if you give Wilson a penalty, it's like feeling sorry for Ted Black walking down the sidewalk at 2AM Saturday on Cherry St. in Buffalo, tossing his money clip up into the air and yelling "Whoopie!". When he gets jumped...sure, by the letter of the law someone else was in the wrong....but come'on...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 This makes the most sense. I am one that says, get rid of the instigator, helmet drop and visor rule, icing, bring back the red line, and you would probably see 80% of these questionable things go away. The pads as well to a point. I don't think it turns into blood sport, it just stops the loopholes and guys getting lax. If they want to get rid of fighting and hitting, then just do it. And on Wilson/Schenn...Wilson changed course 3 times and 5 players were within a 3 foot radius of the puck with 3 guys touching it from the time Wilson strided forward. It's in the corner. Schenn tried to turn away and still got caught clean. Maybe boarding, but even if you give Wilson a penalty, it's like feeling sorry for Ted Black walking down the sidewalk at 2AM Saturday on Cherry St. in Buffalo, tossing his money clip up into the air and yelling "Whoopie!". When he gets jumped...sure, by the letter of the law someone else was in the wrong....but come'on...... Coal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 This makes the most sense. I am one that says, get rid of the instigator, helmet drop and visor rule, icing, bring back the red line, and you would probably see 80% of these questionable things go away. The pads as well to a point. I don't think it turns into blood sport, it just stops the loopholes and guys getting lax. If they want to get rid of fighting and hitting, then just do it. And on Wilson/Schenn...Wilson changed course 3 times and 5 players were within a 3 foot radius of the puck with 3 guys touching it from the time Wilson strided forward. It's in the corner. Schenn tried to turn away and still got caught clean. Maybe boarding, but even if you give Wilson a penalty, it's like feeling sorry for Ted Black walking down the sidewalk at 2AM Saturday on Cherry St. in Buffalo, tossing his money clip up into the air and yelling "Whoopie!". When he gets jumped...sure, by the letter of the law someone else was in the wrong....but come'on...... You still haven't explained why it wasn't charging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 I will tell you whats wrong with that hit. Schenn is a victim of playing in a era where they put near full blame on the hitter. He had no reason to have situtational awareness nor the need to bother to expect a hit. Had this play happened 10 years or more ago Schenn would have been raked over the coals for putting himself in a vulnerable spot. I agree with Drane on this (talk about rare) there is nothing wrong with that hit. Wilson did everything I want a forward to do, he came in fast on the forecheck, he was decisive and on the toes of his skates, and last he finished his check. If you want to blame someone blame Schenn's teammates for not being in a position to give him a dumpoff. Also before someone wiseasses me like they did Drane, yes I have played hockey for many years and I stand by saying everything in this play was good except Schenn putting himself in that position. The hit was good, the response from the flyers was good, even Wilson getting a phone hearing is good. What are you trying to say here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 You still haven't explained why it wasn't charging. Maybe because Wilson took the trajectory of the bullet that killed Kennedy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 Maybe because Wilson took the trajectory of the bullet that killed Kennedy? That doesn't make it not charging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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