26CornerBlitz Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 http://forums.sabrespace.com/topic/22059-kaleta/page__st__120#entry517476 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campy Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 http://forums.sabres...120#entry517476 God my memory sucks. I must've confused Kaleta's and Scott's situations. I mean, Scott didn't appeal his, did he? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 (edited) http://forums.sabrespace.com/topic/22059-kaleta/page__st__120#entry517476 The confusion here is that he could've appealed further but decided not to. So reports say he dropped the appeal, but a more accurate description would say that he decided not to further pursue an appeal. @JSportsnet: So...here's one for you...NHLPA say the Neutral Arbitrator cannot increase Thornton's suspension...and the NHL says he can increase it. If the NHLPA is truly there to defend the players then why don't you ever hear them refusing to defend a player in the appeals process? In Thornton's situation the offense is obvious and indefensible. Who is defending Orpik here? Is the NHL the protector of the victim while the NHLPA is there to defend the offender? To me it seems like the NHL is the real defender of the players here. Edited December 16, 2013 by DStebb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 God my memory sucks. I must've confused Kaleta's and Scott's situations. I mean, Scott didn't appeal his, did he? . Scott decided to accept the 7 gamer and move on. NHL DoPS: Oilers' Potter suspended two games for boarding NEW YORK -- Edmonton Oilers defenseman Corey Potter has been suspended for two games, without pay, for boarding Anaheim Ducks forward Nick Bonino during NHL Game No. 504 in Anaheim on Sunday, Dec. 15, the National Hockey League's Department of Player Safety announced today. The incident occurred at 5:40 of the second period. Potter was assessed a major penalty and game misconduct for checking from behind. Based on his average annual salary, Potter will forfeit $7,948.72. The money goes to the Players' Emergency Assistance Fund. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 The confusion here is that he could've appealed further but decided not to. So reports say he dropped the appeal, but a more accurate description would say that he decided not to further pursue an appeal. @JSportsnet: So...here's one for you...NHLPA say the Neutral Arbitrator cannot increase Thornton's suspension...and the NHL says he can increase it. If the NHLPA is truly there to defend the players then why don't you ever hear them refusing to defend a player in the appeals process? In Thornton's situation the offense is obvious and indefensible. Who is defending Orpik here? Is the NHL the protector of the victim while the NHLPA is there to defend the offender? To me it seems like the NHL is the real defender of the players here. Because their role in these procedings is to ensure the accused gets the full extent of 'due process' in their hearing. Where they should be doing more for the victims of the violence is in pushing harder for rules and standards that improve player safety before a Thornton pulls a Bertuzzi. By the time the standards are being enforced (post-incident) their role is to keep everything on the up&up for the perpetrator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 (edited) Wish they had the actual fight but that is still awesome! JUST BTW if I saw a video of sabre doing this I would find it disgraceful as a fan. I am sure it has happened but still you need to hold yourself to a higher level as a pro athlete. Listened to Lucics interview with a Boston station replayed on 1040 am this morning out of Vancouver and he claims that he was hit twice unprovoked and never hit the guy back. He also said he's pressing charges against this guy. If his side of the story holds up he did the right thing but really he should have clobbered that punk. Edited December 17, 2013 by bunomatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Listened to Lucics interview with a Boston station replayed on 1040 am this morning out of Vancouver and he claims that he was hit twice unprovoked and never hit the guy back. He also said he's pressing charges against this guy. If his side of the story holds up he did the right thing but really he should have clobbered that punk. He was probably much stronger and didn't want to kill the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Bettman issued a ruling in a PDF IIRC http://forums.sabres...120#entry517476 Scott decided to accept the 7 gamer and move on. NHL DoPS: Oilers' Potter suspended two games for boarding Got 'em confused; my bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Got 'em confused; my bad. Been there myself on many occasions. No worries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 (edited) Just read an article (mobile, no linkie) where Lucic basically swears off a return to his hometown unless it's to play hockey for another club. A shame, really, and a black eye for Vancouver. I've been to taverns and a club when Paddy Kane is around -- from what I can tell, the vibe he gets from yokel locals is very different, and almost uniformly positive. And that's even after something like the cabbie incident. Edited December 17, 2013 by That Aud Smell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Just read an article (mobile, no linkie) where Lucic basically swears off a return to his hometown unless it's to play hockey for another club. A shame, really, and a black eye for Vancouver. I've been to taverns and a club when Paddy Kane is around -- from what I can tell, the vibe he gets from yokel locals is very different, and almost uniformly positive. And that's even after something like the cabbie incident. Maybe the vibe Kane gets changes when Chicago beats Buffao for a Cup and Kane runs rampant in the series. Not that it is a likely scenario..... :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Maybe the vibe Kane gets changes when Chicago beats Buffao for a Cup and Kane runs rampant in the series. Not that it is a likely scenario..... :unsure: Ahh, quite so. Interesting point of perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Just a guess, but he may have been encouraged to appeal by the NHLPA. Yes, and that's a shame, considering that Orpik is a member of that organization as well. It's not so much the NHLPA itself, but their lawyers who dictate and *manage* an appeal to Bettman. The only way there is an appeal is if it is determined to be warranted by the NHLPA legal beagles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 The Bruins are chief among our most hated rivals (and I don't give a danm about rival-reciprocity), but, man, they are world class when it comes to their in-house media production capabilities. I love this stuff. http://video.bruins.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=513474&catid=-6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 It's not so much the NHLPA itself, but their lawyers who dictate and *manage* an appeal to Bettman. The only way there is an appeal is if it is determined to be warranted by the NHLPA legal beagles. And they'll only fight if a paycheck is on the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 And they'll only fight if a paycheck is on the line. Absolutely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campy Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 If the NHLPA is truly there to defend the players then why don't you ever hear them refusing to defend a player in the appeals process? In Thornton's situation the offense is obvious and indefensible. Who is defending Orpik here? Is the NHL the protector of the victim while the NHLPA is there to defend the offender? To me it seems like the NHL is the real defender of the players here. I think they view lengthy suspensions as more harmful to their members than the events that precipitate them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre Dance Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 I think they view lengthy suspensions as more harmful to their members than the events that precipitate them. Too true. What I can't understand is that the NHLPA also represents the guys who have gotten the elbow in the mush or the shoulder to the temple. How would you feel if another NHLPA member (i.e. a player from another team) gives you a concussion that puts you in a dark room for a month and the Players' Association appeals the offender's 7 game suspension? I'd be pretty pi$$ed at my "union". Well, once I could think straight again.... :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Too true. What I can't understand is that the NHLPA also represents the guys who have gotten the elbow in the mush or the shoulder to the temple. How would you feel if another NHLPA member (i.e. a player from another team) gives you a concussion that puts you in a dark room for a month and the Players' Association appeals the offender's 7 game suspension? I'd be pretty pi$$ed at my "union". Well, once I could think straight again.... :blink: So instead of defending player A and completely ignoring player B, the PA is supposed to defend player B and ignore player A? That is pretty much what is being suggested here. They are supposed to represent every single player, but what exactly can they do for Orpik at this very moment? Basically, they defended the injured player preemptively when they negotiated the safety rules which are in place. Now they defend the suspended player by trying to save his paycheck. Did they screw up when they put those rules in place? Probably, but at this very moment their highest priority is the almighty dollar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 John Shannon @JSportsnet1m FYI...NHL Holiday Roster Freeze...11:59pm on the 19th until 12:01am on the 28th...all times local. For those that don't know what this means: during this period teams are not allowed to trade, release, waive or sign players. The only thing that is allowed is callups on an emergency basis. Might be a good time to ramp up the GM search since nothing else will be going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Ahh, quite so. Interesting point of perspective. On the other hand, I ran into Brett Hull a year after the Sabres Cup loss to the Stars and we had a very congenial conversation, no punches thrown or anything. So there's that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 On the other hand, I ran into Brett Hull a year after the Sabres Cup loss to the Stars and we had a very congenial conversation, no punches thrown or anything. So there's that... You've failed us all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 You've failed us all. :clapping: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Another Ugly Hit: http://youtu.be/89Ldu2k0oKU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Another Ugly Hit: Liked Philly's response to it. That hit needs a suspension longer than the usual no-previous-incidents punishments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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