darksabre Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Another Ugly Hit: http://youtu.be/89Ldu2k0oKU Wow, he came in like a missile. 20 games for being an ######, please. It's this kind of kill or be killed attitude that has the NHL so ###### up right now. If Wilson was my team mate I'd fight him myself. If he'd do that to an opponent he'd do it to anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Another Ugly Hit: http://youtu.be/89Ldu2k0oKU Unless he just didn't see him, why the F does Shenn turn away from that hit? I know it's a contrarian view, but some of the responsibility has to be put on these hitees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Unless he just didn't see him, why the F does Shenn turn away from that hit? I know it's a contrarian view, but some of the responsibility has to be put on these hitees. I seriously doubt Schenn saw him coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Unless he just didn't see him, why the F does Shenn turn away from that hit? I know it's a contrarian view, but some of the responsibility has to be put on these hitees. I don't think Shenn turned, I think he just got hit really hard by a guy who was already moving fast and then churned his legs even more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 I seriously doubt Schenn saw him coming. I don't think Shenn turned, I think he just got hit really hard by a guy who was already moving fast and then churned his legs even more. Yeah, it's hard to tell if he saw him, but he definitely turned to make the play instead of taking the hit. I just don't like the idea of "all you have to do is turn your back." You can't be hit and you then get a free play on the puck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Yeah, it's hard to tell if he saw him, but he definitely turned to make the play instead of taking the hit. I just don't like the idea of "all you have to do is turn your back." You can't be hit and you then get a free play on the puck. There are def cases where players seemed to have put themselves at risk even though they appeared aware of a hit coming. This one is different to me. Wilson lined him up from beyond the blue line and appeared to be driving still as he made the hit. I'm not sure Schenn could have adequately protected himself if he tried. even if he was facing Wilson at the time of contact he's going to be slammed into the boards. It was very predatory and in a very dangerous spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 There are def cases where players seemed to have put themselves at risk even though they appeared aware of a hit coming. This one is different to me. Wilson lined him up from beyond the blue line and appeared to be driving still as he made the hit. I'm not sure Schenn could have adequately protected himself if he tried. even if he was facing Wilson at the time of contact he's going to be slammed into the boards. It was very predatory and in a very dangerous spot. This is exactly how I see it. Even if Schenn sees him the whole way, Wilson came from Iraq to make that hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 There are def cases where players seemed to have put themselves at risk even though they appeared aware of a hit coming. This one is different to me. Wilson lined him up from beyond the blue line and appeared to be driving still as he made the hit. I'm not sure Schenn could have adequately protected himself if he tried. even if he was facing Wilson at the time of contact he's going to be slammed into the boards. It was very predatory and in a very dangerous spot. I agree and no matter what, Schenn was getting walloped. Do we know what the penalty was, though? At the very least it was a charge. I really think that if Schenn doesn't turn, he's probably not spending any time in the quite room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Disgusting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Seriously....just get rid of checking...like an 8 year old league.... Maybe the new team figure skating competition in the Olympics is just another name for hockey. Save us Putin..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Seriously....just get rid of checking...like an 8 year old league.... Maybe the new team figure skating competition in the Olympics is just another name for hockey. Save us Putin..... I have better things to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 That is just crazy to watch. Wow. I wanted Wilson here during the draft, and now I don't think he'll be playing anywhere for a while. He'll get a hefty suspension for that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Unless he just didn't see him, why the F does Shenn turn away from that hit? I know it's a contrarian view, but some of the responsibility has to be put on these hitees. The angle that Wilson came from there was no way Schenn wouldn't be driven into the boards. Even if Schenn turned directly towards him, he was still going to fly into the boards. And the Phlyers reaction is proof why the instigator shouldn't be modified. When it's egrarious enough, 2 minutes be damned. But had it been a clean hit, w/ no instigator, the reaction would have been the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trettioåtta Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Shoulder to shoulder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopefulFuture Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Schenn clearly turns away at the last second. Shoulder to shoulder is clear for all to see. Clean hit, no suspension warranted. Nothing to see here, move along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Schenn clearly turns away at the last second. Shoulder to shoulder is clear for all to see. Clean hit, no suspension warranted. Nothing to see here, move along. It's called charging! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 The angle that Wilson came from there was no way Schenn wouldn't be driven into the boards. Even if Schenn turned directly towards him, he was still going to fly into the boards. And the Phlyers reaction is proof why the instigator shouldn't be modified. When it's egrarious enough, 2 minutes be damned. But had it been a clean hit, w/ no instigator, the reaction would have been the same. They didn't make an instigator call on the Flyers there. Hell, I'd be surprised if the refs didn't at least consider not calling a thing on Philly at all there. It's called charging! That one just might be the king of all charging penalties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 It's called charging! Exactly. It doesn't have to be an elbow to the head to be illegal/dirty/suspension worthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 There's charging, and then there's whatever that was. Charging with a dash of something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 There's charging, and then there's whatever that was. Charging with a dash of something else. For whatever reason, I feel like calling it CHARGING! The caps and exclamation point seem mandatory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 For whatever reason, I feel like calling it CHARGING! The caps and exclamation point seem mandatory. Perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 The angle that Wilson came from there was no way Schenn wouldn't be driven into the boards. Even if Schenn turned directly towards him, he was still going to fly into the boards. And the Phlyers reaction is proof why the instigator shouldn't be modified. When it's egrarious enough, 2 minutes be damned. But had it been a clean hit, w/ no instigator, the reaction would have been the same. Oates was upset at the non-call on the instigator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dEnnis the Menace Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 that was absolutely ridiculous. As the announcer even says, he sped up at the blueline, and he had one target and one target only. He destroyed Schenn! Those are the types of hits that need out of the game. Those are the types of hits others on this board were damning Kaleta for. It's unacceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 The contact was clean, as far as heads/elbows/facing the boards, etc. And while Wilson didn't take 3+ steps or jump into the hit, it was suitable for a charging call. A real contributing factor to the damage here, was that Schenn was in the "dead zone" (between three from the boards and six feet from the boards). If he's anywhere else, there's a good chance his noggin and spine don't get crunched. That isn't to fault Schenn at all, of course, because the game is played there, especially immediately after winning possession along the boards. The speed of the hit combined with the location make this a dangerous play. The question is whether Wilson had intent to inure. Intent to injure is the boundary between a major charging call and a match penalty charging call. Is it the onus of the hitter to not make shoulder-to-shoulder hits with speed in the dead zone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 The contact was clean, as far as heads/elbows/facing the boards, etc. And while Wilson didn't take 3+ steps or jump into the hit, it was suitable for a charging call. A real contributing factor to the damage here, was that Schenn was in the "dead zone" (between three from the boards and six feet from the boards). If he's anywhere else, there's a good chance his noggin and spine don't get crunched. That isn't to fault Schenn at all, of course, because the game is played there, especially immediately after winning possession along the boards. The speed of the hit combined with the location make this a dangerous play. The question is whether Wilson had intent to inure. Intent to injure is the boundary between a major charging call and a match penalty charging call. Is it the onus of the hitter to not make shoulder-to-shoulder hits with speed in the dead zone? I think the onus is on the hitter to not come from all the way up near the blue line to make that hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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