Tuch extension coming soon?

[Jorcus]

19 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

I cannot imagine at this stage, worrying about Tuch falling off 5 or 6 years from and giving a single ***** about dealing with the contract then. He's literally the 2nd best forward on the team. If you can trade Carey Price, you can trade Tuch.

What nonsense. 

7 years would be better. 

Yep, I know this much Florida would do it in a heartbeat.  

[Pimlach]

23 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

-2 times in the past 3 years 30 goal scorer (36). 

-Big time Plus player on a minus team. 

-One of the single best forcheckers in the league (my opinion). 

-Led league in shorthanded goals last year. 

-Injury issues have mostly gone away as he played a full 82 games last year and 75+ his other 2 years. 

-Plays all phases of the game. 

-Loved by the majority of the fanbase. 29 years old so 'right now' in the prime of his career.

-6'4, 220 AND an above average skater.

-When I watch goals against, he is rarely the problem. He skates back hard into his zone. He rarely chases the puck and leave guys wide open. Basically, he's sound defensively (at least compared to the Quinns, Cozens, Peterkas of this forward group)

Get it done.

If its a 6+ year deal and looks bad at the end of it when he is in his mid 30's, I'll worry about it then.

He also led the NHL in blocked shots by a forward, and is one of the very few that sticks up for teammates.   He is one of 22 forwards selected to try out for US Olympic team, so he is a respected player in the league.  
 

Letting him go would be very deflating to an already fragile team.  

[sabremike]

5 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

He also led the NHL in blocked shots by a forward, and is one of the very few that sticks up for teammates.   He is one of 22 forwards selected to try out for US Olympic team, so he is a respected player in the league.  
 

Letting him go would be very deflating to an already fragile team.  

Yup. The idea that there are people who can't see the devastating second order consequences of such a thing that even a toddler would grasp blows my mind.

[Pimlach]

1 hour ago, sabremike said:

Yup. The idea that there are people who can't see the devastating second order consequences of such a thing that even a toddler would grasp blows my mind.

Going back to last season, the very idea that Adams and Ruff would let an unconfident kid like Cozens share an A with Tuch shows that the Sabres do not have a steady hand at the wheel.  

My tolerance for Adams especially, and Ruff as well, is zero. 

Edited yesterday at 02:40 PM by Pimlach

[JohnC]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Incorrect. I portray it as something unexpected because the common belief was Tuch would not extend with Buffalo and would leave as soon as he could. And it's irksome to those who were counting on that happening to affirm their opinion of the team.

You are extrapolating from a decidedly minority view in order to justify your lenient view of not holding the organization accountable for their poor record. It was a minority view that Tuch would not extend with Buffalo. There were follow-up discussions regarding what it would mean if he didn't sign. I was involved in that discussion and made the point, also made by many others, that it would be a devasting blow to the team and what it might mean for some of the other players, such as Dahlin and Tage.  

It's rare that you will get unanimity of viewpoints when you have a large and varied audience. You are taking a minority view and attributing it to the majority in order to support your position. The problem I have with this organization is not that they get all things wrong. That would be an absurd position to take. The problem that I have is that it doesn't do enough things to put the team in a more favorable position. It shouldn't be a surprise that when you have a stolid person as your GM that there will be a lack of imagination and initiative in his actions. I didn't advocate for a substantial roster remake this offseason. However, I expected a little more activity in adding to the roster. Unsurprisingly, it didn't happen.  

[Sabres Fan in NS]

Why is there a debate on this?

Sign him for whatever he wants.  He is a top player and loves it in Buffalo.

[JohnC]

12 hours ago, Brawndo said:

The article mentions 9 million AAV for 7 or 8 years as the rumored term 

This would be a good deal for both parties. I would prefer a 7-year deal. But if he gets an 8-year deal, then so what. From an organizational standpoint, not getting a deal done because of an extra year on a contract would make no sense at all for this lagging franchise. 

[JohnC]

12 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Actually Adams is going to give Tuch a huge extension so that he can leave his successor another terrible long-term contract to work withafter he gets fired after this coming season when the team fails to make the playoffs for the 15th straight year.

Are you arguing that he shouldn't be signed for a long-term deal? If you are, it is a perplexing stance to take because not signing him makes the Sabres a lesser team. 

[DarthEbriate]

1 hour ago, Pimlach said:

Going back to last season, the very idea that Adams and Ruff would let an unconfident kid like Cozens share an A with Tuch shows that the Sabres do not have a steady hand at the wheel.  

My tolerance for Adams especially, and Ruff as well, is zero. 

I would have loved if Ottawa gave Cozens an A when he arrived. The ol’ Sabres Rivet treatment. He’s a leader!

[GASabresIUFAN]

14 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

So you don't want to extend Tuch, or is this just you coping?

I honestly don’t care.  Paying 8-9 mill for 7-8 years for a 29 year old 35 g 70 pt player soon to decline is stupid.  This is KO 2.0 waiting to happen.  

Whether we sign him or we don’t also doesn’t matter.  This is a hopelessly flawed team with terrible management and a poorly constructed roster with a GM who hands out bad contracts like candy. What’s one more bad contract?  
 

The Sabres will spend next season over $40 mill on bad contracts to Norris, Greenway, Samuelson, UPL, Power, and Byram plus the contract corpse of Jeff Skinner.  Hard to win when you are spending nearly 50% of your internal cap on players who have zero chance of performing to their contract amount.  

I like Tuch, but he isn’t a $9 mill now and certainly won’t be 2-3 years from now.  

[tom webster]

15 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

I honestly don’t care.  Paying 8-9 mill for 7-8 years for a 29 year old 35 g 70 pt player soon to decline is stupid.  This is KO 2.0 waiting to happen.  

Whether we sign him or we don’t also doesn’t matter.  This is a hopelessly flawed team with terrible management and a poorly constructed roster with a GM who hands out bad contracts like candy. What’s one more bad contract?  
 

The Sabres will spend next season over $40 mill on bad contracts to Norris, Greenway, Samuelson, UPL, Power, and Byram plus the contract corpse of Jeff Skinner.  Hard to win when you are spending nearly 50% of your internal cap on players who have zero chance of performing to their contract amount.  

I like Tuch, but he isn’t a $9 mill now and certainly won’t be 2-3 years from now.  

The cap will be $113.5M in two years and probably continue to skyrocket. $9M is the equivalent to $6.7M under last years cap. The contract will be fine when you calculate % of cap.

[PromoTheRobot]

12 hours ago, JohnC said:

You are extrapolating from a decidedly minority view in order to justify your lenient view of not holding the organization accountable for their poor record. It was a minority view that Tuch would not extend with Buffalo. There were follow-up discussions regarding what it would mean if he didn't sign. I was involved in that discussion and made the point, also made by many others, that it would be a devasting blow to the team and what it might mean for some of the other players, such as Dahlin and Tage.  

It's rare that you will get unanimity of viewpoints when you have a large and varied audience. You are taking a minority view and attributing it to the majority in order to support your position. The problem I have with this organization is not that they get all things wrong. That would be an absurd position to take. The problem that I have is that it doesn't do enough things to put the team in a more favorable position. It shouldn't be a surprise that when you have a stolid person as your GM that there will be a lack of imagination and initiative in his actions. I didn't advocate for a substantial roster remake this offseason. However, I expected a little more activity in adding to the roster. Unsurprisingly, it didn't happen.  

You seem to think taking a dump on everything the Sabres do is "holding them accountable." Not everything they do is bad. Sometimes it's good. It's not a crime to acknowledge that. You aren't going to just encourage bad behavior by giving them credit for something.

[PromoTheRobot]

23 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

I honestly don’t care.  Paying 8-9 mill for 7-8 years for a 29 year old 35 g 70 pt player soon to decline is stupid.  This is KO 2.0 waiting to happen.  

Whether we sign him or we don’t also doesn’t matter.  This is a hopelessly flawed team with terrible management and a poorly constructed roster with a GM who hands out bad contracts like candy. What’s one more bad contract?  
 

The Sabres will spend next season over $40 mill on bad contracts to Norris, Greenway, Samuelson, UPL, Power, and Byram plus the contract corpse of Jeff Skinner.  Hard to win when you are spending nearly 50% of your internal cap on players who have zero chance of performing to their contract amount.  

I like Tuch, but he isn’t a $9 mill now and certainly won’t be 2-3 years from now.  

Lol, I'm sure you would have felt the Sabres did well by not signing Tuch. You wouldn't have raked them over the coals for letting a "key player" walk. Oh no no no. 😂

You are really in love with your takes, declaring Tuch as not being worth it, though I'm convinced this stance only emerged when the Tuch extension story was floated. Not to mention your confident predictions of bad deals for Norris, etc. I actually laugh at your attempts to spin everything as a disaster. 

Hockey season is just a month away. Can't wait.

[oddoublee]

41 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

I honestly don’t care.  Paying 8-9 mill for 7-8 years for a 29 year old 35 g 70 pt player soon to decline is stupid.  This is KO 2.0 waiting to happen.  

Whether we sign him or we don’t also doesn’t matter.  This is a hopelessly flawed team with terrible management and a poorly constructed roster with a GM who hands out bad contracts like candy. What’s one more bad contract?  
 

The Sabres will spend next season over $40 mill on bad contracts to Norris, Greenway, Samuelson, UPL, Power, and Byram plus the contract corpse of Jeff Skinner.  Hard to win when you are spending nearly 50% of your internal cap on players who have zero chance of performing to their contract amount.  

I like Tuch, but he isn’t a $9 mill now and certainly won’t be 2-3 years from now.  

If tuch was a forward that lived and died by his speed and stick handling - yes, I would struggle with that contract. 

Players of his style can play into their mid 30s.

Can't be afraid to sign guys in their late 20s and early 30s. 

[Wyldnwoody44]

I like Tuch, Tuch likes buffalo... 

This franchise has done many worse things in the very recent years. 

Sign him....

 

And then stop sucking. Please and thank you. 

[SABRES 0311]

I don’t t think anyone would be so devastated by a six year deal. I don’t hear of any other high end players begging to come to Buffalo.

[JohnC]

9 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

You seem to think taking a dump on everything the Sabres do is "holding them accountable." Not everything they do is bad. Sometimes it's good. It's not a crime to acknowledge that. You aren't going to just encourage bad behavior by giving them credit for something.

How many people are saying that everything the organization does is bad? There is a small slice of posters among the many who reflexively criticize every decision. So what! They don’t represent the prevailing view that the hockey staff doesn’t makes enough good decisions to keep up with their competitors. When you check the record you will find that it is a reasonable view to have.

[Weave]

10 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

I honestly don’t care.  Paying 8-9 mill for 7-8 years for a 29 year old 35 g 70 pt player soon to decline is stupid.  This is KO 2.0 waiting to happen.  

Whether we sign him or we don’t also doesn’t matter.  This is a hopelessly flawed team with terrible management and a poorly constructed roster with a GM who hands out bad contracts like candy. What’s one more bad contract?  
 

The Sabres will spend next season over $40 mill on bad contracts to Norris, Greenway, Samuelson, UPL, Power, and Byram plus the contract corpse of Jeff Skinner.  Hard to win when you are spending nearly 50% of your internal cap on players who have zero chance of performing to their contract amount.  

I like Tuch, but he isn’t a $9 mill now and certainly won’t be 2-3 years from now.  

Every team ends up with contracts like this during the 2nd half of a players career.  It is the natural price that needs to be paid to have very good veterans on your team.  Avoiding these deals means you are committing your top veterans to cap out at about Zucker level.

[French Collection]

8 years is too long but this is a good player who wants to be in Buffalo. There is a price to pay for loyalty, just hope he has 5 more good years. Skating is a strength of his so the drop off may not be steep.

[Trettioåtta]

Right now beggars can't be choosers. If a player wants to sign with us, you take it and let the team worry about a bad contract in 5 years.

The max contract length is now 7 years right? If the cap goes up then a max term contract wouldn't be too bad by the time we get there.

[Taro T]

12 minutes ago, Trettioåtta said:

Right now beggars can't be choosers. If a player wants to sign with us, you take it and let the team worry about a bad contract in 5 years.

The max contract length is now 7 years right? If the cap goes up then a max term contract wouldn't be too bad by the time we get there.

Max length currently is 8 years.  They're not scheduled to have it drop to 7 years until next September.  BUT they've said they're going to implement some of the provisions of the new CBA on an expeditied schedule.  No data on whether the max contract length decreasing (and the regular max dropping to 6 years from the current 7 as well) will be on an expedited schedule or not.

[JohnC]

11 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

You seem to think taking a dump on everything the Sabres do is "holding them accountable." Not everything they do is bad. Sometimes it's good. It's not a crime to acknowledge that. You aren't going to just encourage bad behavior by giving them credit for something.

When did I say that everything the Sabres did is bad? You are the one creating a false narrative (as it applies to me) to justify your fawning attitude towards a franchise that hasn't made the playoffs in a generation. Certainly, not all criticisms are merited. But that isn't to say that many aren't. 

[mjd1001]

It is rare you sign a guy who is almost 30 to a long term deal and the end of it is anything but bad.  But, almost all teams need to sign guys to those deals to keep them around, you just hope to balance it out with some younger guys on cheaper contract.

[EM88]

I do not see any current contracts on the Sabres that are likely to go bad due to players aging out. I think the deal Tage Thompson signed ends when he is 31 years old.  That is the longest/latest/oldest anyone else is committed to right now on a deal that is any longer than 2 years.

I am not advocating for an $80 million dollar, 8 year deal. But If you have to give ONE deal that might be an overpay at the end of it to Tuch right now, you do that so you get the 'good' next 2-4 years out of him.

 

Edited 4 hours ago by EM88

[sabremike]

The amount of people who simply can't process the fact that the league is in a paradigm shift where cap space is going to be nowhere near as important is just stunning.