John Tortorella fired by Flyers

[tom webster]

27 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

the list of really good players that make great GM's is pretty short.

Yzerman, Sakic, Doug Wilson, Serge Savard and Bobby Clarke are about it.

Mike Grier and Pat Verbeek seem to be killing it out west.

[Thorny]

31 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

the list of really good players that make great GM's is pretty short.

Yzerman, Sakic, Doug Wilson, Serge Savard and Bobby Clarke are about it.

Adams thinks Yzerman is a great GM. Right on track in Detroit, he says 

Edited March 27 by Thorner

[matter2003]

21 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Steve Yzerman? Detroit has been ***** for 8yrs under him. 

Won multiple cups in TB

[PerreaultForever]

I think Torts and Briere/Jones just hit a timing/philosophy difference. Torts doesn't like tanking and Philly realized they have to tank to get Michkov a center. This is why Torts finally said he had "no interest in coaching that type of team". Now Philly can tank for this year and maybe next (McKenna). They also have their eyes on Tocchet should he be available. Some teams make moves when they are unhappy with events.

Buffalo? Stay the course. 

If I owned Buffalo I'd actually hire Torts as coach. Bump Ruff up to a senior advisory role. Let Torts fire any and all of the assistants. I'd fire Adams too but since he's a lap dog yes man and will do whatever the boss says sure let him shuffle paperwork while other people do the work. 10-1 Quinn would be the first guy in the doghouse. 

[steveoath]

Didn’t realise torts is older than Lindy. Apparently his firing now makes Ruff the oldest HC in the league. 

Edited March 28 by steveoath

[FrenchConnection44]

Imo, the key is getting a new GM in who can truly lead the organization and then decide on coaching. Torts would be intriguing given his successes.  

[LGR4GM]

14 hours ago, matter2003 said:

Won multiple cups in TB

And? This is a what have you done for me lately league. If he was as good as ppl say, Detroit wouldn't be about to miss the playoffs again.

[Archie Lee]

15 hours ago, matter2003 said:

Won multiple cups in TB

Yzerman has never won a Cup as a GM. He was gone from Tampa by the time they won their back to back cups. Certainly he played a role in building those teams, but he was gone by then. He made it to one cup final, a decade ago in 2015. 

[Brawndo]

 

[Ducky]

Nill is doing well?

[DarthEbriate]

13 goals scored in their last two games and Nashville next. The post-Torts bump is on. It won't last, but it's fun for their skaters for now.

[That Aud Smell]

On 3/27/2025 at 10:06 AM, Archie Lee said:

I always wondered why Muckler picked Nolan over Tortorella to coach the Sabres back in the day. 

Torts is certainly a guy who did it his way.

With the Jarmo talk the past couple of days, I hope we don’t get a Jarmo/Torts reunion in Buffalo. 

[Pimlach]

On 3/27/2025 at 9:06 AM, Archie Lee said:

I always wondered why Muckler picked Nolan over Tortorella to coach the Sabres back in the day. 

Torts is certainly a guy who did it his way.

With the Jarmo talk the past couple of days, I hope we don’t get a Jarmo/Torts reunion in Buffalo. 

This would trigger @JohnC.   I think I read somewhere that John does not like Torts. 

Didn't they have an incident back in the 1993 at the Aud in the Terrace Street Parking lot?  

Edited yesterday at 02:42 AM by Pimlach

[JohnC]

On 3/27/2025 at 6:03 PM, PerreaultForever said:

I think Torts and Briere/Jones just hit a timing/philosophy difference. Torts doesn't like tanking and Philly realized they have to tank to get Michkov a center. This is why Torts finally said he had "no interest in coaching that type of team". Now Philly can tank for this year and maybe next (McKenna). They also have their eyes on Tocchet should he be available. Some teams make moves when they are unhappy with events.

Buffalo? Stay the course. 

If I owned Buffalo I'd actually hire Torts as coach. Bump Ruff up to a senior advisory role. Let Torts fire any and all of the assistants. I'd fire Adams too but since he's a lap dog yes man and will do whatever the boss says sure let him shuffle paperwork while other people do the work. 10-1 Quinn would be the first guy in the doghouse. 

I don't believe Philly is going to tank. His old school tough guy coach era is long past. You may not be aware of it but dinosaurs died off a long time ago. 

If our obtuse and nostalgic seeking owner hired Torts as a coach, then all the air out of the "hope" bag would be released. The Philly organization had enough of this obnoxious faux pas strong man just like every organization he has worked for has. 

If Terry P hired him, he is even a bigger fool than what I already think of him. And that is saying a lot. Terry P is inclined to the past for solutions. Hiring Torts or a Torts like coach would guarantee him as a first ballot selection in the Fools Ownership HOF. No thank you.  

Edited Friday at 06:59 PM by JohnC

[PerreaultForever]

6 hours ago, JohnC said:

I don't believe Philly is going to tank. His old school tough guy coach era is long past. You may not be aware of it but dinosaurs died off a long time ago. 

If our obtuse and nostalgic seeking owner hired Torts as a coach, then all the air out of the "hope" bag would be released. The Philly organization had enough of this obnoxious faux pas strong man just like every organization he has worked for has. 

If Terry P hired him, he is even a bigger fool than what I already think of him. And that is saying a lot. Terry P is inclined to the past for solutions. Hiring Torts or a Torts like coach would guarantee him as a first ballot selection in the Fools Ownership HOF. No thank you.  

I'd still like a clear identity to the Sabres that is stated clearly and then coaches etc. are hired to fit that identity and when they don't live up to playing like that stated identity we and they can call them out on it. What exactly are the Sabres aside from young?

[JoeSchmoe]

21 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

I'd still like a clear identity to the Sabres that is stated clearly and then coaches etc. are hired to fit that identity and when they don't live up to playing like that stated identity we and they can call them out on it. What exactly are the Sabres aside from young?

When Lindy started with the team in the 90s, they played a tight checking, low scoring game. After the lockout, he saw the roster he had and turned the offence dial to 11.

When asked about the stark contrast between the two styles of play, he publicly stated that you need to coach to your team's strengths. If you have a high flying offence, you don't constrain them in a defense first system. 

So theoretically, our coaching staff can adapt to the type of roster we're able to assemble. It's hard to get good players... let alone players that only play a particular style, so largely you need to play with the cards as they're dealt.

[dudacek]

I think the Sabres want to be a pace-pushing, always-attacking team, both on offence and defence.

Adams has said it numerous times, as has Ruff.

[Taro T]

10 minutes ago, JoeSchmoe said:

When Lindy started with the team in the 90s, they played a tight checking, low scoring game. After the lockout, he saw the roster he had and turned the offence dial to 11.

When asked about the stark contrast between the two styles of play, he publicly stated that you need to coach to your team's strengths. If you have a high flying offence, you don't constrain them in a defense first system. 

So theoretically, our coaching staff can adapt to the type of roster we're able to assemble. It's hard to get good players... let alone players that only play a particular style, so largely you need to play with the cards as they're dealt.

True, the sytle has changed based upon personnel.  But the timing of that is off slightly.  They started moving towards a significanlty more offensive entertaining style shortly BEFORE THE lockout.  So, they were very well positioned to take advantage of the rules opening up the game when the lockout ended.

[PerreaultForever]

1 hour ago, JoeSchmoe said:

When Lindy started with the team in the 90s, they played a tight checking, low scoring game. After the lockout, he saw the roster he had and turned the offence dial to 11.

When asked about the stark contrast between the two styles of play, he publicly stated that you need to coach to your team's strengths. If you have a high flying offence, you don't constrain them in a defense first system. 

So theoretically, our coaching staff can adapt to the type of roster we're able to assemble. It's hard to get good players... let alone players that only play a particular style, so largely you need to play with the cards as they're dealt.

I get that, but you also have to have a clear plan and direction going in so that you make moves for those players and you don't do this sort of rotational add and subtract getting nowhere. Young players also need clear direction and expectation. 

[shrader]

14 hours ago, Taro T said:

True, the sytle has changed based upon personnel.  But the timing of that is off slightly.  They started moving towards a significanlty more offensive entertaining style shortly BEFORE THE lockout.  So, they were very well positioned to take advantage of the rules opening up the game when the lockout ended.

Weren’t they a top 10 scoring team that closed very strong that last year before the lockout? That would definitely count as a significant move towards offense  

And then, yeah, they blew up after that. It’s crazy how much goal scoring went up those first few years after the lockout. I’m too lazy to look it up and see if anyone has topped 300 goals since we did it in 06-07. 

[7+6=13]

22 hours ago, JohnC said:

I don't believe Philly is going to tank. His old school tough guy coach era is long past. You may not be aware of it but dinosaurs died off a long time ago. 

If our obtuse and nostalgic seeking owner hired Torts as a coach, then all the air out of the "hope" bag would be released. The Philly organization had enough of this obnoxious faux pas strong man just like every organization he has worked for has. 

If Terry P hired him, he is even a bigger fool than what I already think of him. And that is saying a lot. Terry P is inclined to the past for solutions. Hiring Torts or a Torts like coach would guarantee him as a first ballot selection in the Fools Ownership HOF. No thank you.  

He's hired one person that could even be considered for nostalgic reasons.  Talk about obtuse ....

[Mr Peabody]

As far as adapting it looked to me it took Lindy 2/3 of the season before he said screw the defensive structure I’m trying to teach and went to Granato hockey.  Thats when they had their uptick if I recall.  DG and LR both couldn’t get a team D going.  Cost Donnie his job and Lindy fared even worse.  Just my opinion. 

[LGR4GM]

36 minutes ago, Mr Peabody said:

As far as adapting it looked to me it took Lindy 2/3 of the season before he said screw the defensive structure I’m trying to teach and went to Granato hockey.  Thats when they had their uptick if I recall.  DG and LR both couldn’t get a team D going.  Cost Donnie his job and Lindy fared even worse.  Just my opinion. 

There's basically 0 evidence that Lindy Ruff is a better coach than Granato at this stage. 

[shrader]

57 minutes ago, 7+6=13 said:

He's hired one person that could even be considered for nostalgic reasons.  Talk about obtuse ....

I think you’re forgetting Ted Nolan. 

[JohnC]

1 hour ago, shrader said:

I think you’re forgetting Ted Nolan. 

What about LaFontaine? He certainly falls into the nostalgia category. And that hire turned out to be a fiasco. What’s to be learned? When searching for solutions it’s better to look forward than backward.