Randall Flagg Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 Has Savoie ever even seen NHL preseason action? Did he last year? I don't think he did this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 16, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 Right now olofsson is playing below replacement level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 52 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: From the Athletic “4. Kyle Okposo, Girgensons and Peyton Krebsformed one of the best defensive lines in the NHL late last season. Okposo and Girgensons were brought back for their ability to play a reliable and direct game as part of Buffalo’s fourth line. That line has leaked chances against in both games, though. On Saturday, the Islanders had more than 94 percent of the expected goals when that line was on the ice at five-on-five. In two games, that line has generated only one high-danger chance and allowed eight against at even strength.” I have no idea what your heat map is showing but 8 to 1 in HDC against vs for is enough of an indication that they aren’t getting the job done so far. You posted in a thread that began with a tweet of VO’s offensive zone heat map, has Cozens and Peterka’s Offensive Zone Heat Maps and then you brought up Krebs, KO and Zemgus. So I posted their offensive zone heat maps. Although the 4th Line has not been anywhere close to good enough through the first two games, VO has consistently been the same player who, checks notes was a healthy scratch during the playoff run. He is not good enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 18 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said: Has Savoie ever even seen NHL preseason action? Did he last year? I don't think he did this year Until proven otherwise, Savoie is a cross between Captain Tuttle, Taro Tsujimoto and the Easter Bunny. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 23 minutes ago, Brawndo said: He is not good enough. In general I don’t disagree, but so far outside Mitts’ line, none have been good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 30 minutes ago, PASabreFan said: Until proven otherwise, Savoie is a cross between Captain Tuttle, Taro Tsujimoto and the Easter Bunny. What is Tuttle's Corsi? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 9 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: In general I don’t disagree, but so far outside Mitts’ line, none have been good enough. The difference is, the rest have proven to be capable in their roles last season so there is hope for them. VO is the same as he ever was and should be the first one replaced. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickshaw Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 I can’t see the Sabres keeping Victor much longer. It’s clear he’s very one dimensional and he’s a line killer. If Savoie is ready, get him in there. Jost would be better than VO as well. Its over for Vic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterExpat Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 I’d rather see Biro than Savoie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 16, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 If olofsson scores in 20 games, what does he bring in the other 62? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterExpat Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: If olofsson scores in 20 games, what does he bring in the other 62? Something for us to complain about? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porous Five Hole Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 2 hours ago, LGR4GM said: Right now olofsson is playing below replacement level. Agree. And his trade value has to be nada given his salary. I would park VO in the press box and roll with anyone else. I’m most fond of the idea of exposing VO or UPL to waivers and call up Kulich. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 I'd try Savoie... but I don't think he's the answer. Anything that gets VO off this team works for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 This is a moment when you wish they had a couple gritty veterans to insert into the line up to shake things up but they don't have them so you go with rookies. I'd juggle both of the top two lines cause neither has been any good but Cozens line is terrible, agreed. This is also where the accountability issue comes in. We can and will bench VO I am sure but who else can we bench and how can we do it? We can't. We have nothing better to replace them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MISabresFan Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 I think the time has come to pass the torch of the past years of Sabre playoff failures and remove players who were part of it. I think it is time for Kyle Okposo and Zemgus Girgensons to ride into the sunset and open a couple of roster spots for others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 9 minutes ago, MISabresFan said: I think the time has come to pass the torch of the past years of Sabre playoff failures and remove players who were part of it. I think it is time for Kyle Okposo and Zemgus Girgensons to ride into the sunset and open a couple of roster spots for others. This should have been done in the offseason. Instead KA gifted them 2.5m each. That being said, other players around the league are going to want to flock to Buffalo because they will see how they treat players here. /sarcasm off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 Yes. I don't care about or understand the hole in the ozone style images that are posted, but VO stinks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 I'd like to see Jost back in line up myself, but I'm totally in the dark about how Savoie is at this point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamboni Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 I would put VO in the top six. Hopefully he catches fire offensively. Then, try your damnedest to include him in the trade package for goaltending help. But maybe that’s just me. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmel Corn Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 Sitting VO is addition by subtraction, but that doesn't do anything to help trade value unfortunately. The brass has to make a decision on what's more important, getting some W's with the most effective lineup or trying to maximize asset values. I'm tired of the latter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 16, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 20 minutes ago, Zamboni said: I would put VO in the top six. Hopefully he catches fire offensively. Then, try your damnedest to include him in the trade package for goaltending help. But maybe that’s just me. According to almost everyone on this website, the JJP - Cozens - Olofsson line is the 2nd line and therefore he is in the top 6. I think the time to trade him is long past and teams know what he is now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_soisson Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Zamboni said: I would put VO in the top six. Hopefully he catches fire offensively. Then, try your damnedest to include him in the trade package for goaltending help. But maybe that’s just me. Hope he catches fire offensively so we can trade him? This makes no sense. If he doesn't "catch fire", how many losses does it contribute to in the process? Forget about what he's worth in a trade; that ship sailed last year, if it was ever afloat. If he's not getting it done, put him in the press box or on waivers. We have no time for this! Twelve years and counting,...thirteen is inexcusable. Edited October 16, 2023 by phil_soisson 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 Umm what 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 16, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, Brawndo said: Umm what At this point they need to jettison VO to save themselves from themselves. My biggest fear right now is that Adams is going to overvalue the guys all being buds and friends and forget that sometimes friends need to be sent away. Looking at this, I think that comes down to the lines getting more playing time over anything. Still, not great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: At this point they need to jettison VO to save themselves from themselves. My biggest fear right now is that Adams is going to overvalue the guys all being buds and friends and forget that sometimes friends need to be sent away. Looking at this, I think that comes down to the lines getting more playing time over anything. Still, not great. Adams needs to trade Peña to the Tigers Edited October 16, 2023 by Brawndo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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