Mustache of God Posted June 6, 2023 Report Share Posted June 6, 2023 1 hour ago, thewookie1 said: I have reservations with Hart however My offer would be UPL, 13 and a 2nd for 22 and Hart At most Didn't Tim Murray teach us to not trade a 1st for a goalie? 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 6, 2023 Report Share Posted June 6, 2023 8 minutes ago, PASabreFan said: 27th? No, the Sabres had the 7th worst ga. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmel Corn Posted June 6, 2023 Report Share Posted June 6, 2023 1 hour ago, thewookie1 said: So so far Philly gets Petersen, Grans, Walker LAKs 1st and 2nd CbJ gets Provorov at 30% retention What is LA getting outside of cap space? If CBJ gets Provorov, I can't help but dream that maybe Jiricek could be had for a high, high price. Otherwise, I would think there is absolutely no chance he would be moved....again, maybe I'm dreaming. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted June 6, 2023 Report Share Posted June 6, 2023 Perhaps we can merely move Philly’s 2nd as the primary pick. It would be certainly preferable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 6, 2023 Report Share Posted June 6, 2023 39 minutes ago, Night Train said: Showed promise as a a rookie 5 years back. Then...meh Never really took another step forward. Comrie 2.0 ? Is that really an upgrade ? Hart played 55 games last year. Comrie hasn’t played that many in his career. It’s an upgrade. Not close to Hellebuyck, but an upgrade nonetheless 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted June 6, 2023 Report Share Posted June 6, 2023 8 minutes ago, Mustache of God said: Didn't Tim Murray teach us to not trade a 1st for a goalie? plus if they use the 1st on Hart, how can they use it to get Hellebuyck? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing Room Smoking Cigs Posted June 6, 2023 Report Share Posted June 6, 2023 Philly is going to be a hot mess tearing everything down... which they should (although... Buffalo being the poster boy for hot messes... ) Hart is only worth a 3rd and a middling prospect or an Olfosson that will play for Philly through the rebuild... The Flyers are going to bad through the next 3 seasons.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted June 6, 2023 Report Share Posted June 6, 2023 (edited) @Thorny You laugh at the price tag I suggested, but what do you think it's going to cost to get a proven young goalie with cost control for the next two years? Remember that TM acquired injury-prone Robyn Lehner (and took a contract back in Legwand) for a 21st overall pick. Lehner, then 23, had 86 games (76 starts) of NHL experience at the time and had two years left on his deal (2.225 per season) and then an RFA. Hart is only 24. He has 201 games of experience (193 starts). He has 1 year left on his current deal (3.95) and then an RFA. Lehner's numbers were slightly better, but his injury history was worse and he was injured when acquired. Hart has played 100 games in the last two seasons. What is your offer for Hart? Philly is going to want more than the 39th pick. Edited June 6, 2023 by GASabresIUFAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 6, 2023 Report Share Posted June 6, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: @Thorny You laugh at the price tag I suggested, but what do you think it's going to cost to get a proven young goalie with cost control for the next two years? Remember that TM acquired injury-prone Robyn Lehner (and took a contract back in Legwand) for a 21st overall pick. Lehner, then 23, had 86 games (76 starts) of NHL experience at the time and had two years left on his deal (2.225 per season) and then an RFA. Hart is only 24. He has 201 games of experience (193 starts). He has 1 year left on his current deal (3.95) and then an RFA. Lehner's numbers were slightly better, but his injury history was worse and he was injured when acquired. Hart has played 100 games in the last two seasons. What is your offer for Hart? Philly is going to want more than the 39th pick. No I think the offer is fine I just chuckle at the contrast of “This price is absolutely a non-starter for a perennial vezina guy but I’ll sign on the dotted line immediately for this significantly inferior goalie...we get the worse guy for a second year!” But we’ve been here, already - no real need to rehash Edited June 6, 2023 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashsabre Posted June 6, 2023 Report Share Posted June 6, 2023 #13, UPL, Bryson, Murray, Phillys 2nd for Hart, Grans, #22 Philly are going full rebuild. UPL gives them a goalie to roll out there, Bryson a body on the backend, Murray a big winger that needs a chance. They can draft #7 and #13 and get their 2nd back Hart can pair with Levi, Grans gives them a young, big RHD that could work with Power, #22 gives them a chance to draft Musty the hometown kid. Just a fun hypothetical 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted June 6, 2023 Report Share Posted June 6, 2023 24 minutes ago, Thorny said: No I think the offer is fine I just chuckle at the contrast of “This price is absolutely a non-starter for a perennial vezina guy but I’ll sign on the dotted line immediately for this significantly inferior goalie...we get the worse guy for a second year!” But we’ve been here, already - no real need to rehash I don't get trading multiple top prospects for a 1 year rental? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted June 6, 2023 Report Share Posted June 6, 2023 2 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said: What would you pay for Hart? He's the right age for our group. Has shown he can survive behind a pours defense. Despite playing for crappy Philly teams, he has played 100 games the last 2 years and posted save% of .905 or better. He has 14 games of playoff experience and was solid with a 2.23 & a .926. He has one year at 3.95 and then is an RFA. Really sounds like a perfect value pickup. Question is how much? Our 13th and UPL? More? I think Hart is a more developed UPL. At times (especially when he first came up) he's looked Vezina-worthy. Other times he's been hot trash. I haven't watched him enough to know who "the real" Carter Hart is. I just know that the last Carter H. we had didn't work out the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 6, 2023 Report Share Posted June 6, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: I don't get trading multiple top prospects for a 1 year rental? I don’t consider a full season a rental. I consider it a full season the Hellebuyck deal I liked wasn’t multiple top prospects though it was 13th o/a and change Edited June 6, 2023 by Thorny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triumph_communes Posted June 6, 2023 Report Share Posted June 6, 2023 UPL and their second is a deal I’d be happy with. And I’m 100% sold on Levi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted June 6, 2023 Report Share Posted June 6, 2023 2 hours ago, Zamboni said: Carter Hart for UPL, Brett Murray and a 2nd. Too rich? Brett Murray won't break into the Sabres lineup as anything more than an injury callup I think, but he might get time with Philly. A second? Maybe too rich. How 'bout a 3rd? I mean you're dealing two tweeners to a rebuilding club that's probably going to be playing JAGs for a bit so they might be interested in them but I think giving them a second with the two players is too much. UPL *or* Murray plus a 2nd... maybe. 2 hours ago, Crusader1969 said: Pause and step back from your keyboard.. why so quick to trade away the 13th pick? OMG please stop with the 13th pick for Hart lol Yeah, that's like XGMTM giving a first for Lehner, possibly worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted June 6, 2023 Report Share Posted June 6, 2023 2 hours ago, Brawndo said: They got Walker and Grans, if the Sabres would include 13th OA in a deal for Hart, I imagine one could be coming back to Buffalo Yeah, you wanna throw multiple pieces going out, we need multiple pieces coming back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted June 6, 2023 Report Share Posted June 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, Thorny said: I don’t consider a full season a rental. I consider it a full season the Hellebuyck deal I liked wasn’t multiple top prospects though it was 13th o/a and change I disagree with you on the first point. I need 2 potential playoff runs to consider the acquisition a non-rental. JMO. We probably should mention these things when we talk about acquisitions like Hellebuyck. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 6, 2023 Report Share Posted June 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, Marvin said: I disagree with you on the first point. I need 2 potential playoff runs to consider the acquisition a non-rental. JMO. We probably should mention these things when we talk about acquisitions like Hellebuyck. I do. We did. No one agreed with me except dudacek and brawndo im good with that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted June 6, 2023 Report Share Posted June 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, Marvin said: I disagree with you on the first point. I need 2 potential playoff runs to consider the acquisition a non-rental. JMO. We probably should mention these things when we talk about acquisitions like Hellebuyck. But Hart will be an RFA after next year, so the Sabres would still have control. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Collection Posted June 6, 2023 Report Share Posted June 6, 2023 13 minutes ago, Thorny said: I do. We did. No one agreed with me except dudacek and brawndo im good with that I was in on one year of Hellebuyck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 6, 2023 Report Share Posted June 6, 2023 Just now, French Collection said: I was in on one year of Hellebuyck. Welcome to the Wiserhood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Collection Posted June 6, 2023 Report Share Posted June 6, 2023 Just now, Thorny said: Welcome to the Wiserhood Maybe UPL turns into Hart who gets flipped for Helle. Hart is a WHL grad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 6, 2023 Report Share Posted June 6, 2023 1 minute ago, French Collection said: Maybe UPL turns into Hart who gets flipped for Helle. Hart is a WHL grad. Interesting. That would be some high quality wheeling and dealing. Though I suspect some might prefer Hart to Helle straight up given contract terms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Collection Posted June 6, 2023 Report Share Posted June 6, 2023 Just now, Thorny said: Interesting. That would be some high quality wheeling and dealing. Though I suspect some might prefer Hart to Helle straight up given contract terms We don’t know Hart’s ceiling either. The cost control is a pretty big consideration. He’s better than Comrie or UPL so it’s an upgrade at the least. Goalie prime is much later so Hart could be a .915 goalie. Hellebuyck is so good though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted June 6, 2023 Report Share Posted June 6, 2023 carter hart sucks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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