French Collection Posted June 7, 2023 Report Share Posted June 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Marvin said: The broken nose is why nobody dared to challenge him again. I defer to @French Collection. Thanks but you may be better at generating the next question. Besides, you got Leach, I said Watson then changed to MacLeish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted June 7, 2023 Report Share Posted June 7, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, French Collection said: Thanks but you may be better at generating the next question. Besides, you got Leach, I said Watson then changed to MacLeish. OK. Thanks. One of the earliest and simplest analytical tools for studying defencive and two-way play was adjusted plus-minus, i.e., a player's plus-minus relative to his team's average. In 1987, the top 2 retired players for career adjusted plus-minus were Bobby Orr and Bobby Clarke. What former Sabre was 3rd? Edited June 7, 2023 by Marvin Clarification Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted June 7, 2023 Report Share Posted June 7, 2023 (edited) Guessing my boy Schoenfeld but could be someone like Peca Edited June 7, 2023 by North Buffalo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted June 7, 2023 Report Share Posted June 7, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, North Buffalo said: Guessing my boy Schoenfeld but could be someone like Peca This is 1987; too early for Peca. It was not Schoenfeld, who was 20th. In fact, of the top 30 retired players in 1987, 5 of them were Sabres. For the era 1967-2001, every team (except 1) which was top 5 in adjusted +/- during any 10 year block won a Cup in that time and no team won a Cup who were outside the top 8 at the time. Yes, the Sabres are the exception again. Edited June 7, 2023 by Marvin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted June 7, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2023 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Marvin said: OK. Thanks. One of the earliest and simplest analytical tools for studying defencive and two-way play was adjusted plus-minus, i.e., a player's plus-minus relative to his team's average. In 1987, the top 2 retired players for career adjusted plus-minus were Bobby Orr and Bobby Clarke. What former Sabre was 3rd? Just for clarification: This is someone who already was retired as of 1987? If so, I'm going to take a stab at it with Don Luce. Edited June 7, 2023 by Eleven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted June 7, 2023 Report Share Posted June 7, 2023 24 minutes ago, Eleven said: Just for clarification: This is someone who already was retired as of 1987? If so, I'm going to take a stab at it with Don Luce. Retired no later than 1987. Luce was 22nd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted June 7, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, Marvin said: Retired no later than 1987. Luce was 22nd. It's Hajt then. The two were always +/- darlings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted June 7, 2023 Report Share Posted June 7, 2023 Just now, Eleven said: It's Hajt then. The two were always +/- darlings. Correct. The Sabres in the top 30 were Hajt, Ramsay, Schoenfeld, Luce, and Gare. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted June 7, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2023 Just now, Marvin said: Correct. The Sabres in the top 30 were Hajt, Ramsay, Schoenfeld, Luce, and Gare. I am astonished that Luce placed that low. But hey, I got it. So I'm gonna ask an easier one, so that someone else can have a turn: In 1995, the Sabres traded Alexander Mogilny to Vancouver for two players and a pick. The pick was 14 overall, that is, first round, in the 1995 draft. Name the players AND the player that the Sabres selected with the pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted June 7, 2023 Report Share Posted June 7, 2023 9 minutes ago, Eleven said: I am astonished that Luce placed that low. But hey, I got it. So I'm gonna ask an easier one, so that someone else can have a turn: In 1995, the Sabres traded Alexander Mogilny to Vancouver for two players and a pick. The pick was 14 overall, that is, first round, in the 1995 draft. Name the players AND the player that the Sabres selected with the pick. I know this but I’ll let it play out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted June 7, 2023 Report Share Posted June 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, Eleven said: I am astonished that Luce placed that low. But hey, I got it. So I'm gonna ask an easier one, so that someone else can have a turn: In 1995, the Sabres traded Alexander Mogilny to Vancouver for two players and a pick. The pick was 14 overall, that is, first round, in the 1995 draft. Name the players AND the player that the Sabres selected with the pick. Interestingly, Mogilny learnt defence that year. I remember a 1-0 Vancouver loss to Detroit where Mogilny was 3rd star after the two goaltenders on merit for his stellar defencive play. I remember thinking that my ears must have had too much wax in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted June 7, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2023 13 minutes ago, Marvin said: learnt WTF continent are you from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted June 7, 2023 Report Share Posted June 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, Eleven said: WTF continent are you from? Both my parents were brought up under British rule. My favourite TV shows are almost all British. I am a licenced Beatle-ologist. My friends offered me choices of which surviving Doctors and Companions I wanted at my table at their wedding receptions. (They are many of the reasons that NuWho routinely has references to Buffalo, NY.) It is just that ingrained. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 7, 2023 Report Share Posted June 7, 2023 2 hours ago, Eleven said: I am astonished that Luce placed that low. But hey, I got it. So I'm gonna ask an easier one, so that someone else can have a turn: In 1995, the Sabres traded Alexander Mogilny to Vancouver for two players and a pick. The pick was 14 overall, that is, first round, in the 1995 draft. Name the players AND the player that the Sabres selected with the pick. This trade was my first big “what? We lose our best players?” experience as a kid. Mogilny was my favourite player. Don’t think I know this without looking it up, though was the draft pick Jason Dawe? Philip Boucher? For the players, Peca and.... Wilson? Edit: Damn, wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted June 7, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Thorny said: This trade was my first big “what? We lose our best players?” experience as a kid. Mogilny was my favourite player. Don’t think I know this without looking it up, though was the draft pick Jason Dawe? Philip Boucher? For the players, Peca and.... Wilson? Edit: Damn, wrong. The players are correct. The pick is not. Rene Robert was that moment for me. I was furious. Edited June 7, 2023 by Eleven 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubkev Posted June 8, 2023 Report Share Posted June 8, 2023 Holy smokes! I think I know this one! Was the draft pick a guy that had dirty, stinky shin pads, that might have caused a horrific infection, that may or may not have impacted the Sabres chances at a cup in 2006? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted June 8, 2023 Report Share Posted June 8, 2023 Happy birthday to Rob Ray 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted June 8, 2023 Report Share Posted June 8, 2023 2 hours ago, spndnchz said: Happy birthday to Rob Ray Spoiler alert! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted June 8, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2023 8 hours ago, ubkev said: Holy smokes! I think I know this one! Was the draft pick a guy that had dirty, stinky shin pads, that might have caused a horrific infection, that may or may not have impacted the Sabres chances at a cup in 2006? You got it--McKee--you're up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted June 8, 2023 Report Share Posted June 8, 2023 5 hours ago, spndnchz said: Happy birthday to Rob Ray Indeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubkev Posted June 8, 2023 Report Share Posted June 8, 2023 Alright, I don't have any difficult ones off hand. So everyone gets a break with this one. Name the last 4 Sabres to score at least 80 points in a single season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porous Five Hole Posted June 8, 2023 Report Share Posted June 8, 2023 1 hour ago, ubkev said: Alright, I don't have any difficult ones off hand. So everyone gets a break with this one. Name the last 4 Sabres to score at least 80 points in a single season. I think the last three to do it are pretty easy. Tage and Skinner from last year. Eichel did it. But the last one…I’m probably going to kick myself if this isn’t right…but I’m going with Vanek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 8, 2023 Report Share Posted June 8, 2023 1 hour ago, ubkev said: Alright, I don't have any difficult ones off hand. So everyone gets a break with this one. Name the last 4 Sabres to score at least 80 points in a single season. Tage Skinner Eichel and Pominville? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubkev Posted June 8, 2023 Report Share Posted June 8, 2023 22 minutes ago, Porous Five Hole said: I think the last three to do it are pretty easy. Tage and Skinner from last year. Eichel did it. But the last one…I’m probably going to kick myself if this isn’t right…but I’m going with Vanek. Nope. 13 minutes ago, Thorny said: Tage Skinner Eichel and Pominville? Sorry You're 75% there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimlach Posted June 8, 2023 Report Share Posted June 8, 2023 On 6/6/2023 at 1:36 PM, tom webster said: Being Tom Webster was essentially traded for him, you know I knew that one. Tom Webster is an interesting player, a one time Bruins prospect and the first player taken in the 1970 expansion draft, and was traded for Roger Crozier so he never played for the Sabres. He had one really good (30 goals and 67 points) season with the Red Wings, followed by an injury plagued season that saw him get shipped to the dreaded California Golden Seals. After that he was a star in the WHA, a league filled with many older NHL and AHL vets. Since you are a Webster fan, I am wondering what current NHL player you think he is similar to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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