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Taking a page from @Randall Flagg, I thought a discussion of the G.O.A.T’s in all major sports would be in order.  Here are mine:

MLB – Willie Mays.

NFL – Walter Payton (Brady is a Patriot and therefore not in any consideration).

NBA – LeBron James.

NHL – Wayne Gretzky.

Soccer – Pele.

Golf – Jack Nicklaus (has a grandson who doesn’t wear gloves).

Tennis – Serena Williams (Federer really close).

Boxing – Mohammad Ali.

NASCAR – Richard Petty.

Dodgeball – Patches O’Houlihan

Horses are not athletes so I did not go there.

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MLB - Barry Bonds

NFL - Tom Brady (just give in. Your soul will be at peace)

NBA - Jordan (yuck!)

NHL - The Great One

Soccer - 

Golf - can I say Jack? He hasn't won a major since I was a year old. Tiger

Tennis - Federer. Agassi was my favorite, but Fed is the greatest.

Boxing - Mayweather is the greatest technician ever in the ring, but Christ is he boring to watch. Roy Jones Jr on the other hand...pure thrill ride.

NASCAR - Richie Evans

 

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Jim Brown as best all around athlete for playing two sports at a hall of fame level? Maybe Bo Jackson for the same reason.

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MLB – Babe Ruth

 

NFL – Jerry Rice

 

NBA – LeBron James

 

NHL – Wayne Gretzky

 

Soccer – Who cares?

 

Golf – Tiger

 

Tennis – Nadal

 

Boxing – Mohammad Ali.

 

NASCAR – Richard Petty.

 

Horses - Secretariat

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3 hours ago, Randall Flagg said:

Is Gretzky the best GOAT of all sports? Not "greatest" but "best"?

Yep

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7 hours ago, Randall Flagg said:

Is Gretzky the best GOAT of all sports? Not "greatest" but "best"?

He's the only GOAT where there's no discussion.

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MLB           Hank Aaron

NFL           Jim Brown

NBA           Wilt Chamberlain

NHL           Wayne Gretzky.

Soccer       Messi

Golf            Jack Nicklaus 

Tennis        Federer 

Boxing       Mohammad Ali.

NASCAR    Dale Earnhardt

Horses       Secretariat

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48 minutes ago, jsb said:

MLB           Hank Aaron

NFL           Jim Brown

NBA           Wilt Chamberlain

NHL           Wayne Gretzky.

Soccer       Messi

Golf            Jack Nicklaus 

Tennis        Federer 

Boxing       Mohammad Ali.

NASCAR    Dale Earnhardt

Horses       Secretariat

Almost exactly my list. But change Jim Brown to Emmitt Smith or Troy Aikman. 

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25 minutes ago, steveoath said:

Almost exactly my list. But change Jim Brown to Emmitt Smith or Troy Aikman

You either have to be a huge Dallas fan or an extremely bitter Bills fan to beleive that last part. Troy Aikman isnt top-10 QB's of all time.

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MLB – Hank Aaron

NFL – Barry Sandars

NBA – James (I flipped between him and Jordan about 10 times before landing here. Granted, I never really watched Jordan play before he was with the Wizards...)

NHL – Wayne Gretzky

Soccer – Pele

Golf – Jack Nicklaus

Tennis – Serena Williams

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12 hours ago, Tondas said:

Taking a page from @Randall Flagg, I thought a discussion of the G.O.A.T’s in all major sports would be in order.  Here are mine:

 

MLB – Willie Mays.

 

NFL – Walter Payton (Brady is a Patriot and therefore not in any consideration).

 

NBA – LeBron James.

 

NHL – Wayne Gretzky.

 

Soccer – Pele.

 

Golf – Jack Nicklaus (has a grandson who doesn’t wear gloves).

 

Tennis – Serena Williams (Federer really close).

 

Boxing – Mohammad Ali.

 

NASCAR – Richard Petty.

 

Dodgeball – Patches O’Houlihan

 

Horses are not athletes so I did not go there.

 

MLB: Hank Aaron, Tom Seaver

NFL: OJ just to be a homer troll

NBA: Bill Russell

NHL: Mario

Soccer: Pele

Tennis: Jack

Boxing: Ali

Nascar: Earnhardt

Indy: AJ Foyt

Dodgeball: Patches

 

 

 

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Bobby Orr gets my NHL vote.

Ali gets my boxing vote, buy I think arguments can be made otherwise.

Petty in NASCAR seems obvious to me.

Nicklaus in golf.

So many ridiculous athletes in NFL for me to be able to single one out.

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Ski racing: Ingemar Stenmark/Lindsay Vonn

Free Skiing: Shane McConkey

Ski Mountaineering: Doug Coombs

Nordic Skiing: Who cares

Pre-modern era skiing (leather boots): Dick Durrance

Mountain biking: Ned "The Lung" Overend

Skateboarding: Tony Hawk

Cycling (pre-dope😞 Eddie Mercx

Competitive surfing: Kelly Slater

Actual Surfing: Laird Hamilton

Couch Surfing: my buddy Stu

Competitive Snowboarding: Shaun White

Actual Snowboarding: Terje Haakonsen

 

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Alpine Skiing - Shiffrin.  Love Lindsay, but Shiffrin is dominating at a younger age. In just 8 seasons she has 8 discipline titles, 3 overall and 60 wins.

Lindsay is great 82 wins in 19 years, 4 overall titles and 16 discipline titles.

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I’m surprised to see so many Henry Aaron votes. One of Ruth, Bonds, or Williams would be #1 for me. Teddy Williams is likely the greatest athlete+ of all-time. 

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17 hours ago, ubkev said:

MLB - Barry Bonds

NFL - Tom Brady (just give in. Your soul will be at peace)

NBA - Jordan (yuck!)

NHL - The Great One

Soccer - 

Golf - can I say Jack? He hasn't won a major since I was a year old. Tiger

Tennis - Federer. Agassi was my favorite, but Fed is the greatest.

Boxing - Mayweather is the greatest technician ever in the ring, but Christ is he boring to watch. Roy Jones Jr on the other hand...pure thrill ride.

NASCAR - Richie Evans

 

Can't give in on Tom Brady.  He was part of a Pats team that cheated. It is VERY likely that a couple of his Superbowls would not be there without cheating, his stats would likely be a lot less also.  Take away some of those SBs and lower his stats a bit and he is not the greatest ever.  Now, there are a lot of 'likely's in there...but in my book....the person (or team) that cheats loses the benefit of the doubt on those 'likely' and 'maybe' qualifiers.

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15 minutes ago, #freejame said:

I’m surprised to see so many Henry Aaron votes. One of Ruth, Bonds, or Williams would be #1 for me. Teddy Williams is likely the greatest athlete+ of all-time. 

There are 2 HOF players in history with career BA over 300, over 500 HR and 3000 Hits.  Mays and Aaron.  That’s it.  Not the Babe,  Not Williams, Not Bonds.  Griffey was also better then Bonds.  Bonds was a roids player which will always diminish him in my eyes.  

 

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6 hours ago, sabills said:

You either have to be a huge Dallas fan or an extremely bitter Bills fan to beleive that last part. Troy Aikman isnt top-10 QB's of all time.

Dallas fan. There is a great article in the athletic explaining Aikman's greatness far more eloquently that I could. But I totally disagree with "not top 10 of all time". For me it is definitely coloured by my interest in the NFL began in the final years of Danny Whites tenure at QB. Aikman was a dream to get. And the team they surrounded him was awesome.

 

Here's that article.

https://theathletic.com/1090762/2019/07/25/19-in-19-4-troy-aikman-is-many-things-but-overrated-is-definitely-not-one-of-them/

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My boring list

 

MLB – Babe Ruth

NFL – Jerry Rice

NBA – Michael Jordan

NHL – Wayne Gretzky

Soccer – Pele

Golf – Jack Nicklaus

Tennis – Roger Federer

Boxing – Sugar Ray Robinson, though Mohammad Ali put on a heck of a show in every way imaginable.

NASCAR – Richard Petty or Jimmie Johnson, totally different eras

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MLB - Davey Concepcion

NFL - Walter Peyton

NBA - Bill Russell

NHL - Wayne Gretzky (followed by Orr, Hasek, Howe, Harvey, & Lemieux; throw Bowman behind the bench & let Sam Pollock build around those starters)

Soccer - Pele

Swimming - Michael Phelps (honorable mention to Spitz)

Golf - the Golden Bear

Chess - Gary Kasperov

Whack job chess player - Bobby Fischer

Track - Carl Lewis

Lacrosse - Jim Brown

 

 

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MLB - Cal Ripken

NFL - Walter Payton

NBA - Magic Johnson

NHL - Wayne Gretzky (Lemieux a close 2nd)

Soccer - Pele

Golf - Jack Nicklaus

Tennis - Rafael Nadal

Boxing - Mike Tyson

NASCAR - Richard Petty/Bobby Allison/Bill Elliott. (hard to pick one)

Poker - Phil Hellmuth

🐎 - Seattle Slew because my mom's cousin, Billy Turner, was Slew's trainer during the Triple Crown.

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