UPDATE: Sam Reinhart signs 2-year extension -- $3.65MM per year

[pi2000]

6 minutes ago, SwampD said:

Is it just coincidence, then, that Jack has started scoring now that Reinhart is on that line? I think he makes them better.

I agree that Jack is doing better with Sam than he was with Pominville.    But that doesn't mean Reinhart is a player who makes everybody around him better.     If that were true, you could bump Sam down to the second line and suddenly you'd start seeing guys like Okposo and Sheary starting to score.. but that hasn't been the case.

[Sabres Fan in NS]

Guys,

NYC is fine.  Finer than fine.

The Great Satan?  Now that's a problem.

As for Samson.  I would rather have him on my team than just about anyone else in the NHL.  I can count on one hand who I would take over him right now ... That guy in Edmonton and the 2 guys in Colorado and probably that guy in Winnipeg.  Counting is not my strongsuit, but I beleive I have a finger left over.

[Taro T]

2 hours ago, SwampD said:

 

And the fact that the NYC region funds the rest of the state makes it even more silly.

 

I agree with this.

To a degree it does.  But that is mitigated by how much the Upstate economy is throttled by NYC preferred regulations.  The question becomes which is the overriding input on the Upstate economy's overall health.  Those of us living Upstate typically have a far different opinion on that than Downstaters & those such as yourself that workin NYC but choose to reside in other states tend to have.

[Taro T]

45 minutes ago, New Scotland (NS) said:

Guys,

NYC is fine.  Finer than fine.

The Great Satan?  Now that's a problem.

As for Samson.  I would rather have him on my team than just about anyone else in the NHL.  I can count on one hand who I would take over him right now ... That guy in Edmonton and the 2 guys in Colorado and probably that guy in Winnipeg. Counting is not my strongsuit, but I beleive I have a finger left over.

We might have just found out why you're client base is diminishing.  ;)

[SwampD]

29 minutes ago, Taro T said:

To a degree it does.  But that is mitigated by how much the Upstate economy is throttled by NYC preferred regulations.  The question becomes which is the overriding input on the Upstate economy's overall health.  Those of us living Upstate typically have a far different opinion on that than Downstaters & those such as yourself that workin NYC but choose to reside in other states tend to have.

Not sure what that means and not the right thread to get into it, anyway.

Just a point of note, I actually work and live in New Jersey, so you 716ers do nothing for me but take my out of state money.?

[Doohickie]

2 hours ago, erickompositör72 said:

This isn't for me, this is for you. I'm just trying to help you through ?

FWIW, I have a perhaps illogical love for NYC. I do appreciate what you contribute to this board, despite our differences on NYC (well, except your contributions re:Drury ? )

I guess we can just agree to disagree.

? ?

[Taro T]

2 hours ago, SwampD said:

Not sure what that means and not the right thread to get into it, anyway.

Just a point of note, I actually work and live in New Jersey, so you 716ers do nothing for me but take my out of state money.?

Thought you worked in NYC.  Sorry for the misstatement there.  Knew you lived in Joisey.

And tried to keep the statement you asked about vague enough to keep it non-political.  Simply meant that there is a lot of regulation statewide that can make tremendous sense in the densely populated greater NYC/LI area, that doesn't make as much sense upstate & more than occassionally actually hurts upstate's competitiveness relative to other places as a good place to do business.  And that's about as much as I will say about that here.  Really not trying to highjack the thread to something political.  Sorry if it comes across (acrost?) otherwise.

Edited December 14, 2018 by Taro T

[calti]

On 12/12/2018 at 9:50 PM, Thorny said:

I can not imagine anyone who can't even spell his name correctly at this point would likely be one to take an earnest look into the little things a guy like Sam is doing on the ice, that they might be missing. 

Not picking on your opinion particularly, just wanted to quote this as a reference point to say that Chris Drury is as overrated a Sabre as Vanek is under.

picking on spelling?? ..i caant imagine

[Samson's Flow]

Another multi point game for Samson tonight. He's a key part of the best 1st line we've had since the Frenchies

[TrueBlueGED]

On 12/14/2018 at 1:57 PM, nfreeman said:

Well, this is pretty generous.

And while Reino makes lots of nice plays, I don't see how anyone could prefer watching him to watching the great Swedish gift.

Is this the first time this has been said? If not, I missed it before. But I fully endorse it. 

On 12/14/2018 at 2:10 PM, pi2000 said:

Sam is a good player, but he's not a great player and he doesn't make anybody around him better.    He's getting point because of who he's playing with.    If he did make others around him better he'd be centering the second line.

Another play from last night,   Bogo makes a perfect cross ice pass to Sam, right in his wheel house and he muffs the one-timer with a yawning cage.     That should've been an easy goal, a top line winger needs to convert there but he mis-fired.    He's a not a guy who's going to score from the perimeter because his shot is not very good.    Skinner also doesn't have an elite level shot, but he's fantastic cleaning up around the net.

Sam is a smart player, rarely out of position, usually makes the correct read and can anticipate very well.   But it ends there.

For BUF to be a contender they need an elite shooter on Jacks wing to compliment Skinner.... and more scoring depth down the lineup, namely a number 2 center.

   

This is pretty objectively false. Since he came into the league basically everyone on the roster has had better numbers with him than without him. He can't drive his own line the way Eichel does, but he absolutely makes his linemates better whether it's on the top line or 3rd line. 

[Weave]

17 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said:

He can't drive his own line the way Eichel does, but he absolutely makes his linemates better whether it's on the top line or 3rd line. 

I think you have better phrased what was trying to be communicated.

The kid has amazing hand-eye coordination, and terrific on ice awareness.  It's not enough to carry play, but it's enough to improve play overall.

[mjd1001]

2 minutes ago, Weave said:

I think you have better phrased what was trying to be communicated.

The kid has amazing hand-eye coordination, and terrific on ice awareness.  It's not enough to carry play, but it's enough to improve play overall.

In the past few pages of this thread, I have downplayed Reinhart quite a bit.  Once again, if he is playing like he is now..I'm good with him.  What I want to see him do to progress as a player is to become a consistent guy on the scoresheet which he has been for sure lately.

With that said...I'm almost ready to see him on a different line again.  If he is gaining confidence and his play is getting better, lets try it to see if he can give any kind of spark to another line.  I don't want to split up Eichel and Skinner though.

[nfreeman]

I will also admit that I have been watching Reino's D-zone exits and he is indeed pretty good at them.  (He did blow one today though vs Boston that led to Guhle's penalty in the 3rd, which resulted in the late GTG.)

[dudacek]

Sam comfortably into the top 50 in scoring and pushing toward the top 40. Tied for 43rd with 32 points.

 

[LTS]

9 hours ago, nfreeman said:

I will also admit that I have been watching Reino's D-zone exits and he is indeed pretty good at them.  (He did blow one today though vs Boston that led to Guhle's penalty in the 3rd, which resulted in the late GTG.)

While you could say that Guhle would not have had to play defense if the puck had gotten out of the zone I don't see how you can put the penalty on Reinhart.  Guhle twice had his hand move down to grab the player and he pulled it back and then the third time he got called for it.  Frankly I thought he actually tried to grab the Bruin to keep him from falling but it's still a hold.

I don't see the penalty as a direct result of having to cover for someone's mistake (like hooking or tripping a guy who gets the puck on a turnover with a clear path to the goal).

[Thorny]

On 12/13/2018 at 10:59 PM, dudacek said:

Here’s another interesting stat on Sam Reinhart’s recent even strength play: +13 in his past 20 games.

Since he broke out of his slump in mid-January? 64 points in 70 games.

It's looking like there's a very real chance we have a 75 point player on our hands, based on these numbers. Sign me up. 

[dudacek]

Interesting thread. In reviewing it, I think Sam has answered most of the major criticisms leveled against him.

For those who needed him to produce when games mattered, he’s 40th in points in the NHL as the Sabres battle for the playoffs in the league’s toughest division, 10th among right wings.

For those who thought he is just a PP specialist, he’s now 30th overall this season in even strength points.

For those who needed him to produce over a full season, he has 74 points in his past 76 games, 24th-best in the league in that span.

For those who needed more consistency he put up 9 points in January, 13 in February, 14 in March, 9 in the abbreviated April/October, 15 in November and 16 so far in December.

For those who think he doesn’t drive play, it’s been demonstrated in this thread that he generally improves the numbers of every player he plays with, from Sobotka to Eichel.

It’s fair to say you hoped for more from a second overall pick, or that you don’t appreciate his style or that you’d trade him for somebody whose style you like better. It is fair to say he’s more Sharp than Toews.

But if you are holding on to the idea that Sam is the sixth or seventh forward on a good team, or don’t think 2018 marked his arrival as a legitimate 1st-line NHL winger despite his play on the ice, nothing anyone can say is going to change your mind. I’m done debating it.

It will be interesting to see what kind of contract a 70-point season gets him.

Edited December 29, 2018 by dudacek

[French Collection]

Nylander is being paid to be a 70 point scorer, but has never hit that number. A lot of people in the not too distant past would have taken him over Sam. Sam just brings a different type of game yet he is getting results.

I've always liked him and I hope he is in JBot's long term plans.

[Sabres Fan in NS]

31 minutes ago, French Collection said:

Nylander is being paid to be a 70 point scorer, but has never hit that number. A lot of people in the not too distant past would have taken him over Sam. Sam just brings a different type of game yet he is getting results.

I've always liked him and I hope he is in JBot's long term plans.

I believe he is, but anyone not named Eich, or Dahlin, is tradable.

Duda has compared him to Patrick Sharp, who was a very good player and they do not just grow on trees.  Samson is a very good winger and a 1st liner on just about every team in the NHL.

[inkman]

So he's not a big ball of nothing?