Tolstoy Posted June 24, 2018 Report Share Posted June 24, 2018 This is not a big deal, but I am just curious: The Buffalo-Toronto trade that happened yesterday is reported in the following manner: JUNE 23: Toronto Maple Leafs acquire No. 156 pick in 2018 NHL Draft from Buffalo Sabres for sixth-round pick in 2019 NHL Draft. What I don't understand is why you would trade the first pick of round six this year for what is almost definitely a later pick in round six next year? One wouldn't do such a thing straight up in the same year, much less for a future pick (all things equal, future picks have less value then present picks). There must be more to this than meets the eye, such as: -There was another formal piece of the trade that was not reported. -There was an informal handshake, wink-wink aspect of the trade not reported (wonder what that would be...) -Next year's draft is considered to be so far ahead of this years draft that next year's round 6 player is guaranteed to be better than anything we could get in round six this year, even though it would be a later pick. -No one really cares about a round six player much at all. They are all long shots to begin with when it comes to ever seeing NHL ice time. Or am I missing something here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 24, 2018 Report Share Posted June 24, 2018 https://forums.sabrespace.com/topic/25174-2018-nhl-draft/page-45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted June 24, 2018 Report Share Posted June 24, 2018 Exhibit A for why megathreads fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted June 24, 2018 Report Share Posted June 24, 2018 It still doesn't make any sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 24, 2018 Report Share Posted June 24, 2018 It doesn't make sense. I think it should have been our 6th for their 5th next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted June 24, 2018 Report Share Posted June 24, 2018 Has any explanation been given/attempted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 24, 2018 Report Share Posted June 24, 2018 Has any explanation been given/attempted?They didn't like anyone in the 6th round is all I've heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 24, 2018 Report Share Posted June 24, 2018 They also felt the players on their board would be available in the seventh round and they picked up another asset for the next draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winston Posted June 24, 2018 Report Share Posted June 24, 2018 Does this have anything to do with contract limits? That’s the first thing that came to mind for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted June 24, 2018 Report Share Posted June 24, 2018 (edited) Does this have anything to do with contract limits? That’s the first thing that came to mind for me.50 contracts, but 90 total players and prospects (reserve list) in the organization. I thought the same thing regarding the reserve list limits. However then I realized a CHL player was the BPA on his board so he traded the pick rather then draft a CHL player. Edit: I only count 59-62 players and prospects in our system currently. (I don’t know the status of certain college players). Edited June 24, 2018 by GASabresIUFAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted June 24, 2018 Report Share Posted June 24, 2018 It's an additional chip to be used in any trades going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 24, 2018 Report Share Posted June 24, 2018 (edited) Botterill to Sexton: “that hipster douche Dubas wants our sixth, but he’s only willing to give us next years sixth.” Sexton to Botterill: “looks like turd sandwich the rest of the way in this year Boss, but next year is when we really expect our investment in scouting Peru and Nepal to take off. I’d love an extra sixth then.” Dubas to Shanahan: “that Botterill must have rocks instead of brains. Didn’t even know that left-handed overage centres taken from European third divisions have a 0.0037 % better chance of making it than the 6th rounder average of 2.8674? Mr MBA thinks he’s so smart.” Edited June 24, 2018 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trettioåtta Posted June 24, 2018 Report Share Posted June 24, 2018 Botterill to Sexton: “that hipster douche Dubas wants our sixth, but he’s only willing to give us next years sixth.” Sexton to Botterill: “looks like turd sandwich the rest of the way in this year Boss, but next year is when we really expect our investment in scouting Peru and Nepal to take off. I’d love an extra sixth then.” Dubas to Shanahan: “that ###### Botterill must have rocks instead of brains. Didn’t even know that left-handed overage centres taken from European third divisions have a 0.0037 % better chance of making it than the 6th rounder average of 2.8674? Mr MBA thinks he’s so smart.” lol nice. That said I didn't realise Dubas was so young! Dubas and Chayka are both analytics kids and are the two youngest GMs interestingly. Arizona I kind of understand, but it is interesting how a traditional old school hockey market has given the control to the analytics kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted June 24, 2018 Report Share Posted June 24, 2018 Seems strange. Figure he expects the spare 6th can help move up a few slots in the 4th or 5th if there's some college kid they really want to take a flyer on. If they truly didn't see anyone left worth a 6th, why bother keeping the 7th round pick? Especially when it was used on the 5th D selection of this draft. Would rather have seen a reach on a goalie or trade it for a 6/7 next year as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted June 24, 2018 Report Share Posted June 24, 2018 How many 6th round picks ever make the NHL? It's so rare, I'm a little puzzled why anyone is spending more than 0.5 seconds thinking about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 24, 2018 Report Share Posted June 24, 2018 How many 6th round picks ever make the NHL? It's so rare, I'm a little puzzled why anyone is spending more than 0.5 seconds thinking about it. I guess Rasmus is old news already, but I do think it’s strange that we’ve had one of the biggest acquisitions in franchise history this weekend and there is more talk about CHL bias and trading a sixth round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 24, 2018 Report Share Posted June 24, 2018 I guess Rasmus is old news already, but I do think it’s strange that we’ve had one of the biggest acquisitions in franchise history this weekend and there is more talk about CHL bias and trading a sixth round pick. I mean, we've done a lot of talking about Dahlin. The trade is completely uninteresting to me. But his aversion to the CHL is fascinating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted June 24, 2018 Report Share Posted June 24, 2018 I mean, we've done a lot of talking about Dahlin. The trade is completely uninteresting to me. But his aversion to the CHL is fascinating. The trade stemmed from his aversion to CHL players. The best player on his board was a CHL player so he passed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted June 24, 2018 Report Share Posted June 24, 2018 (edited) Exhibit A for why megathreads fail. On another forum I frequent, mods break off threads from their "Thoughts Deserving No Thread of Their Own" thread all the time. It's actually a good way to keep the banter going and start new threads when the forum is otherwise slow. The problem is not megathreads; it's the management of them. Edited June 24, 2018 by Doohickie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted June 24, 2018 Report Share Posted June 24, 2018 How many 6th round picks ever make the NHL? It's so rare, I'm a little puzzled why anyone is spending more than 0.5 seconds thinking about it. Because it's completely bizarre to trade something obviously worth X for something obviously worth less than X. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabresparaavida Posted June 24, 2018 Report Share Posted June 24, 2018 Because it's completely bizarre to trade something obviously worth X for something obviously worth less than X.When there isn't need factored in. (Like this case)Because it's completely bizarre to trade something obviously worth X for something obviously worth less than X.When there isn't need factored in. (Like this case)Because it's completely bizarre to trade something obviously worth X for something obviously worth less than X.When there isn't need factored in. (Like this case)Because it's completely bizarre to trade something obviously worth X for something obviously worth less than X.When there isn't need factored in. (Like this case) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted June 24, 2018 Report Share Posted June 24, 2018 -Next year's draft is considered to be so far ahead of this years draft that next year's round 6 player is guaranteed to be better than anything we could get in round six this year, even though it would be a later pick. I think it's this. The "slope" of talent/chances within the 6th round is pretty flat for an individual year. But the Sabres might think this year is weak and next year's later rounds are just better overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted June 24, 2018 Report Share Posted June 24, 2018 I think it's this. The "slope" of talent/chances within the 6th round is pretty flat for an individual year. But the Sabres might think this year is weak and next year's later rounds are just better overall. They're not. They're the same every year. So take your shot and hope you land a Miller or Zetterberg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 24, 2018 Report Share Posted June 24, 2018 I guess Rasmus is old news already, but I do think it’s strange that we’ve had one of the biggest acquisitions in franchise history this weekend and there is more talk about CHL bias and trading a sixth round pick. I know we didn't technically acquire him until Friday, but Dahlin has functionally been a Sabre for awhile now. Much of what can be talked about already was prior to the pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 24, 2018 Report Share Posted June 24, 2018 They also felt the players on their board would be available in the seventh round and they picked up another asset for the next draft. Well you just said it: Players. If there were multiple players on the list still, should have used the pick. Seems strange. Figure he expects the spare 6th can help move up a few slots in the 4th or 5th if there's some college kid they really want to take a flyer on. If they truly didn't see anyone left worth a 6th, why bother keeping the 7th round pick? Especially when it was used on the 5th D selection of this draft. Would rather have seen a reach on a goalie or trade it for a 6/7 next year as well. This. I like Botterill so far, and I can't even begin to judge his drafting acumen yet. But this was a head scratcher value wise, even if it was a late round pick. Actually, no, it was logically a dumb move. Needs to be said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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