GASabresIUFAN Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 Lehner, Larsson and Baloo all file for arbitration. Baloo had 28 pts tied with Muzzin, Petry, Demers and Vlasic. He played 19 minutes on average and was +8. The fact of his benching late in the year hurts his case. 1 can see a 2.5 mill award if it goes to a hearing. Larsson. I'm not sure where he is negotiating from. 11 pts, -7 isn't much leverage. Lehner. He has good leverage. How much does a starting goalie get these days? 4 mill? More? 59gms (58 starts) 2.68 gga and .920 save %. Save % was 8th in the NHL of goalies with 40 games or more. 58 starts was 13th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-90 W Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 Lehner, Larsson and Baloo all file for arbitration. Baloo had 28 pts tied with Muzzin, Petry, Demers and Vlasic. He played 19 minutes on average and was +8. The fact of his benching late in the year hurts his case. 1 can see a 2.5 mill award if it goes to a hearing. Larsson. I'm not sure where he is negotiating from. 11 pts, -7 isn't much leverage. Lehner. He has good leverage. How much does a starting goalie get these days? 4 mill? More? 59gms (58 starts) 2.68 gga and .920 save %. Save % was 8th in the NHL of goalies with 40 games or more. 58 starts was 13th. I'm interested in the Lehner arbitration the most. I'm pretty sure injury history is taken into consideration so it's going to be fascinating to see how it unfolds if it really does wind up being settled by the arbitrator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogre Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 Admissible evidence: 1. Overall performance 2. Injury/illness 3. Length of service 4. Overall contribution to success or failure of the team 5. Special qualities of leadership or public appeal 6. Performance and salary of any player alleged to be comparable Good luck, Robyn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trettioåtta Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 Not good for J-Bot. Let's hope we settle before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustache of God Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 Only a small percentage of players who file for arbitration actually make it there. That being said, I could see Lehner going all the way here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trettioåtta Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 Admissible evidence: 1. Overall performance 2. Injury/illness 3. Length of service 4. Overall contribution to success or failure of the team 5. Special qualities of leadership or public appeal 6. Performance and salary of any player alleged to be comparable Good luck, Robyn. I think he finished top 10 in save percentage last year? He has played parts of 7 seasons and a recent comparable signed for just under $6 million a year. I think he has a good shot at a decent amount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LikeEich Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 12th in save % at .920 (Nilsson 10th at .923 only 26GP) GAA 2.68 31st in the league 13th in the league for TOI at 3405:28 3rd in shots at 1928 and in saves 1758 2 shutouts good for 34th in the league. 23 wins is at 23rd league wide. I'd give him 3x4M and if he doesn't want it let it go to the arbitrator. I believe since he elected we could choose 1 or 2 year deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LikeEich Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 I think he finished top 10 in save percentage last year? He has played parts of 7 seasons and a recent comparable signed for just under $6 million a year. I think he has a good shot at a decent amount. Might be a stretch to call Jones a comparable. Since May 2015 only 4 goalies have signed for an AAV of 5M or more and they were each at least 5 years in term. Carey Price 8 x 10.5M Frederick Andersen 5 x 5M Martin Jones 6 x 5.75M Braden Holtby 5 x 6.10M What i would consider comparables over that same time frame Cam Talbot 3 x 4.17M James Reimer 5 x 3.40M Jake Allen 4 x 4.35M Jacob Markstrom 3 x 3.67M Petr Mrazek 2 x 4M Scott Darling 4 x 4.5M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogre Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 Might be a stretch to call Jones a comparable. Since May 2015 only 4 goalies have signed for an AAV of 5M or more and they were each at least 5 years in term. Carey Price 8 x 10.5M Frederick Andersen 5 x 5M Martin Jones 6 x 5.75M Braden Holtby 5 x 6.10M What i would consider comparables over that same time frame Cam Talbot 3 x 4.17M James Reimer 5 x 3.40M Jake Allen 4 x 4.35M Jacob Markstrom 3 x 3.67M Petr Mrazek 2 x 4M Scott Darling 4 x 4.5M Nice work here. I love it when someone gets all fired up to look at numbers. Based on what you have here I'd give Lehner somewhere around Reimer's money at a much shorter term. I wonder what the sticking point is? Term? Money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanny Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 (edited) Jones wasn't signed as an RFA Edited July 6, 2017 by Lanny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 He won't get less than five mil per, regardless of term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 Not good for J-Bot. Let's hope we settle before It's fine for JBot. That's why he signed Josefson and The Big Johnson. If he has to pay Boy-Low, so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 Lehner's save % may be decent but it does not take in his ineptness in the shootout. That certainly should be an arbitration consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trettioåtta Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 Lehner's save % may be decent but it does not take in his ineptness in the shootout. That certainly should be an arbitration consideration. Honestly, i'm not really sure why people care about his shootout percentage. It would have zero effect on us winning a cup, as when it matters it isn't used. If it was the difference between us getting into the playoffs or not, that's a different matter - but even then, we shouldn't be fighting so hard that 4 points is the difference. I don't want another bubble team after this tank. Also, he faced 8 shots in the shootout, which means no forwards scored either - so the shootout loses aren't just on him. Also you guys are mad if you think Lehner is being awarded anything less than $5 million. Someone found a list and picked the lowest paid player on there, and said that was Lehner's benchmark. Freddy Andersson and Martin Jones are his benchmarks. We might get him for 2 years at $4 million on a bridge deal - but anything more and we are looking at the 5s. I'm not really sure why Lehner gets the hate around here, I get Buffalo is weird about goalies, but i'm not sure what he has done (or not done) for people to consider him a solid starter. He might not win a Vezina or Hart, but that doesn't mean he isn't a solid piece of the puzzle. And he has proved a damn sight more than Ulmark, yet people want to give the keys of the team to him. I assume at some point it is personality based or something? Because Lehner the player is good. He might not play a style you like, but he kept this team in games we had no business being in - honestly without him, last year is almost a tank in my mind. Lundqvist played a weird style when he got to the league and everyone freaked out saying it wouldn't work and he plays too deep in his net... well guess what - it did. Moreover, Lehner's dad was the guy that helped Lundqvist with that weird style... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 Bowl-you! It's pronounced Bowl-you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 Bowl-you! It's pronounced Bowl-you! Close but no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 Bowl-you! It's pronounced Bowl-you! Close but no This name will provide countless amusing posts while we wait for the season to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustache of God Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 Bowl-you! It's pronounced Bowl-you! Bowel-ewwwww Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 In today's NHL, much to my dislike, a team needs to win their share of SO to make the playoff. Just sayin'. Lehner really needs to work on that . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 Close but no No. It is actually bowl-you, he said it himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted July 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 I like Baloo better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 I like Baloo better. Baloo sounds like a cartoon character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 Baloo sounds like a cartoon character. he is... like literally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre fan Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 kinda hard to put any kind of worth on Lehner...he certainly has not proved much thus far and was stuck in front of a very poor defensive team last season. Maybe another year would really tell the full story. In the meantime, kinda surprised they don't do a one-year deal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 No. It is actually bowl-you, he said it himself. Take it from someone that hears proper French daily , its not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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