darksabre Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 I know the move would probably not make sense on a lot of levels. BUT -- watching Eichel dish to Kane for a few years while the latter is still in his prime would be SWEET. Does this move meet the Pegula core values requirement though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 No way in hell I trade Reinhart and #8 for Kane. I think Sam could be a special player as a second line center, I don't understand why he's so undervalued by many on this board. I don't trade Sam's future for two to three decent years of Kane straight up. Kane is not the missing piece to winning a cup. By the time this team is ready to compete for a cup Kane will be declining. It just doesn't make sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 No way in hell I trade Reinhart and #8 for Kane. I think Sam could be a special player as a second line center, I don't understand why he's so undervalued by many on this board. I don't trade Sam's future for two to three decent years of Kane straight up. Kane is not the missing piece to winning a cup. By the time this team is ready to compete for a cup Kane will be declining. It just doesn't make sense to me. You could win a Cup next year with Kane on Eichel's wing as long as you can shed some dead weight and get a little better on defense. What's wrong with trying to win now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 No way in hell I trade Reinhart and #8 for Kane. I think Sam could be a special player as a second line center, I don't understand why he's so undervalued by many on this board. I don't trade Sam's future for two to three decent years of Kane straight up. Kane is not the missing piece to winning a cup. By the time this team is ready to compete for a cup Kane will be declining. It just doesn't make sense to me. Sams game is subtle, he will always probably be under appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 You could win a Cup next year with Kane on Eichel's wing as long as you can shed some dead weight and get a little better on defense. What's wrong with trying to win now? I just don't believe Kane puts us in position to contend. I don't our D can be upgraded enough, I don't think our wings are good enough, especially if adding Patty means losing Evander, I don't think our bottom two centers will be good enough. I think we'd be a much better team if we rolled Jack-Sam-ROR at 17-18 minutes per line much like we did Drury,Briere, Roy. Fill in the wingers around that spine and I think we compete for 6-8 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallawaySabres Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 This would be terrible and only give the Sabres a smaller window to be great - keep the youth for Christ sake AND BUILD FOR ONCE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 No way in hell I trade Reinhart and #8 for Kane. I think Sam could be a special player as a second line center, I don't understand why he's so undervalued by many on this board. I don't trade Sam's future for two to three decent years of Kane straight up. Kane is not the missing piece to winning a cup. By the time this team is ready to compete for a cup Kane will be declining. It just doesn't make sense to me. I don't think anybody is undervaluing Reinhart. Those proposing trades are using a good asset to either acquire a good player in position of need or for a superstar like Kane. Guy had 89 points last year and 106 the year before. We're not proposing trading Reinhart for Stafford here. I just don't believe Kane puts us in position to contend. I don't our D can be upgraded enough, I don't think our wings are good enough, especially if adding Patty means losing Evander, I don't think our bottom two centers will be good enough. I think we'd be a much better team if we rolled Jack-Sam-ROR at 17-18 minutes per line much like we did Drury,Briere, Roy. Fill in the wingers around that spine and I think we compete for 6-8 years. This is a fair point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 Pretty good article on why Bowman is an overrated GM at the very least https://www.fanragsports.com/nhl/blackhawks/myth-stan-bowmans-genius/ I just don't believe Kane puts us in position to contend. I don't our D can be upgraded enough, I don't think our wings are good enough, especially if adding Patty means losing Evander, I don't think our bottom two centers will be good enough. I think we'd be a much better team if we rolled Jack-Sam-ROR at 17-18 minutes per line much like we did Drury,Briere, Roy. Fill in the wingers around that spine and I think we compete for 6-8 years. I'd rather do this too, but if Kane's on Botteril's radar, that's the price we have to pay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 I just don't believe Kane puts us in position to contend. I don't our D can be upgraded enough, I don't think our wings are good enough, especially if adding Patty means losing Evander, I don't think our bottom two centers will be good enough. I think we'd be a much better team if we rolled Jack-Sam-ROR at 17-18 minutes per line much like we did Drury,Briere, Roy. Fill in the wingers around that spine and I think we compete for 6-8 years. This could be true. And I value Sam as much as anyone. He is sneakily very good. But I really think it's worth it to get arguably one of the best wingers in the game on Jack's wing. I don't need my center spine to be that deep if Eichel and Kane are my top line pair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 What about getting Hjalmarsson? If Chicago really is in a cap crunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabills Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 (edited) I really worry that if PK moves to Buffalo permanently that he'll be dead or in jail before that contract runs out. Dude rolls hard, especially here. Too many South Buffalo Bros will want to get him drunk every day, and I'm not sure he can help himself. Edited June 14, 2017 by sabills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 I really worry that if PK moves to Buffalo permanently that he'll be dead or in jail before that contract runs out. Dude rolls hard, especially here. To many South Buffalo Bros will want to get him drunk every day, and I'm not sure he can help himself. Legitimate concern. Again, does he fit the Pegula company line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 This could be true. And I value Sam as much as anyone. He is sneakily very good. But I really think it's worth it to get arguably one of the best wingers in the game on Jack's wing. I don't need my center spine to be that deep if Eichel and Kane are my top line pair. I like this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 I would trade Reino and #8 for Kane in a heartbeat. And I would add Evander if Chicago wanted to add Seabrook. (And that might be what gets it done for Chicago -- Seabrook is 32 and under contract for SEVEN more years at a $6.875MM cap hit per year.) Boom! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 I don't know if Kane is coming to Buffalo, but I do know; 1) He has expressed interest as late as last summer in finishing his career here and was concerned that his last mis-step could have hurt those chances. 2) Management in Buffalo has floated the possibility 3) The Sabres are worried about a significant drop in ticket sales this year Quick question about this particularly to the last point. Would this factor into the coaching decision as well? PHam and Harrington are on record stating what a lackluster hiring Tocchet would be and opinion polls although not scientific have Housley as the clear cut choice. If there isn't a resounding difference between the two coaches in the eyes of the Pegulas, why not go with the fan favorite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 I really worry that if PK moves to Buffalo permanently that he'll be dead or in jail before that contract runs out. Dude rolls hard, especially here. Too many South Buffalo Bros will want to get him drunk every day, and I'm not sure he can help himself. For a second there after reading the first 6 words, I thought a Subban "rumor" had no been magically created. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 (edited) This would be like the LaFontaine trade kinda. A player of Kane's caliber would change the mentality of the lockerroom etc. More than just an on ice difference. But it would probably take Reinhart, Nylander, McCabe, 8 overall and somebody like Bailey or more. Edited June 14, 2017 by pi2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabills Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 For a second there after reading the first 6 words, I thought a Subban "rumor" had no been magically created. Hah! I would take that PK over the PK we're talking about in a heartbeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoPre Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 I would trade Reino and #8 for Kane in a heartbeat. And I would add Evander if Chicago wanted to add Seabrook. (And that might be what gets it done for Chicago -- Seabrook is 32 and under contract for SEVEN more years at a $6.875MM cap hit per year.) Boom! Not interested in Seabrook. He's 32. Seabrook went from 49 points in the 15/16 season to 39 points in the 16/17 season. His numbers would continue to take a dive in Buffalo. Fewer players to play with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 This would be like the LaFontaine trade kinda. A player of Kane's caliber would change the mentality of the lockerroom etc. More than just an on ice difference. But it would probably take Reinhart, Nylander, McCabe, 8 overall and somebody like Bailey or more. Then what is the value of changing the mentality of the locker room if most of it is now in Chicago? Hard Pass. Chicago is not negotiating from strength and as was seen in the Bickell Teravainen deal they will take less the perceived market value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 What core pieces did TM trade? Drew Stafford of course. And that guy with marfans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-90 W Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 I would trade Reino and #8 for Kane in a heartbeat. And I would add Evander if Chicago wanted to add Seabrook. (And that might be what gets it done for Chicago -- Seabrook is 32 and under contract for SEVEN more years at a $6.875MM cap hit per year.) Boom! Me too. One of a very few trade proposals involving Sam that id actually do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 Drew Stafford of course. And that guy with marfans. I chuckled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-90 W Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 I chuckled. Drew Stafford could be a force if only given 1 year contracts every year ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 Drew Stafford could be a force if only given 1 year contracts every year imagine his output on a series of 3 month deals? Mind numbing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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