LGR4GM Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Also confirms my feeling that he didn't like anything that came from that process. Well I would have hope he learned from that but I still think he is a fan and I don't have faith right now in this organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Well I would have hope he learned from that but I still think he is a fan and I don't have faith right now in this organization. Maybe he doesn't either... He didn't sound super happy with things in general. I suspect that PSE on the whole is going to be getting evaluated. Those buzz words aren't intended just for the Sabres... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Maybe he doesn't either... He didn't sound super happy with things in general. I suspect that PSE on the whole is going to be getting evaluated. Those buzz words aren't intended just for the Sabres... Sounded like a management meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jsixspd Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 That's what I heard. Well, I was responding to Eleven hinting that Kane won't be kept in Buffalo because of character. So Bylsma and Murray were 'bad characters'? Really? Pegula just gave, less than a year ago, a big fat juicy new contract to Murray - what surfaced in these past few months that made Murray such a 'bad hombre'? LOL Or did Pegula think the team itself didn't have enough 'good character' with bad actors like that incredibly talented Kane, and he put that on Murray? He started out by saying they did a 'good job' too - yeah, generally people doing a 'good job' aren't abruptly and (in Murray's case) unexpectedly FIRED, Terry! Y'know, Terry? Hard to put much stock in anything this Pegula guy says. Lots of contradictions and illogic brought to the podium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 i Think after going thru McD process TPegs has a better sense of how he wants to proceed and what he is looking for. Could all be for naught... hockey is a little different deal but I do sense Murray was over his head. And DD is who Cindy said he was a system guy not able to adjust to talent while sticking to discipline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Sounded like a management meeting. Yup. Maybe it's about time for that. Less jeans and dad sneakers, more structure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Well, I was responding to Eleven hinting that Kane won't be kept in Buffalo because of character. So Bylsma and Murray were 'bad characters'? Really? Pegula just gave, less than a year ago, a big fat juicy new contract to Murray - what surfaced in these past few months that made Murray such a 'bad hombre'? LOL Or did Pegula think the team itself didn't have enough 'good character' with bad actors like that incredibly talented Kane, and he put that on Murray? He started out by saying they did a 'good job' too - yeah, generally people doing a 'good job' aren't abruptly and (in Murray's case) unexpectedly FIRED, Terry! Y'know, Terry? Hard to put much stock in anything this Pegula guy says. Lots of contradictions and illogic brought to the podium Not just character. He's not disciplined, either. And he doesn't really respect structure. Whether he communicates well, I don't know. But evaluating Pegula's four factors against Kane, well, I think he's gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 I think Kane is as good as gone, now Unless it's Lombardi. Making player decisions on character is just so...dumb IMO. Voynov fiasco. If character has meaning, and not just a buzzword, it won't be Lombardi. Excellent point though The leadership needs to possess those qualities, not necessarily all thr players.... thats the way it sounded to me. I hope so. I don't care if my players are degenerate, man gamblers. As long as they win, idgaf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Yup. Maybe it's about time for that. Less jeans and dad sneakers, more structure. Hopefully some Royal Blue for the Sabres too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Question, did anyone ask about if tpegs will hire a POHO/ hockey czar? Missed the press conference. You love saying hockey czar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted April 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 (edited) Yes -- it sounds like the team just seemed like a train wreck to him and that FGMTM and DDB were not keeping things shipshape. *** Not sure what the basis for this is. I think the first answers the second.Tim Murray is a rumpled, foul-mouth, blunt-spoken, beer-swilling, just win baby kinda guy. When Terry says discipline and character, I think his definition is "the type of behaviour suited for church." Or as LGR succinctly put it: Sean McDermott. Tim Murray is the antithesis Edited April 21, 2017 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Not just character. He's not disciplined, either. And he doesn't really respect structure. Whether he communicates well, I don't know. But evaluating Pegula's four factors against Kane, well, I think he's gone. I think he is traded as well. My guess is to a team with deep defensive depth. Carolina needs forwards (rw's though), Anaheim could use him, a couple other teams have some defensive depth. I think the first answers the second. Tim Murray is a rumpled, foul-mouth, blunt-spoken, beer-swilling, just win baby kinda guy. When Terry says discipline and character, I think his definition is "the type of behaviour suited for church." Or as LGR succinctly put it: Sean McDermott. Tim Murray is the antithesis Who is the Sean McDermott coach and GM of the NHL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 (edited) Unless it's Lombardi. Making player decisions on character is just so...dumb IMO. I should have been clearer in my first post. It's not just character, it's also discipline and structure. Edited April 21, 2017 by Eleven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 (edited) Name brought up on WGR, Sean Burke. He was with Arizona and works with Team Canada currently. Edited April 21, 2017 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgia Blizzard Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Character means having integrity Please stop the about TPegs wanting people who attend church, that's a leftist slam against Christians as though going to church is somehow a bad thing The fact is character, integrity, honesty are essential qualities to leaders in every industry and business Read some leadership books people Jeez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Name brought up on WGR, Sean Burke. He was with Arizona and works with Team Canada currently. Goalie coach and director of player personnel for them. Mehhhhhhhh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Character means having integrity Please stop the ###### about TPegs wanting people who attend church, that's a leftist slam against Christians as though going to church is somehow a bad thing The fact is character, integrity, honesty are essential qualities to leaders in every industry and business Read some leadership books people Jeez Agreed. I think people are taking this stuff all wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-90 W Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 The character thing (I gather it was reiterated lot) may be a cumulation of ROR and Kane arrests, but not neseccarily. If tpegs wants us to be more like Notre Dame fbs and less like a SEC team then fine. But I doubt he was talking about the players. Maybe he thought there was some shady stuff going on behind his back. That strengthens the theory of the Eichel story being leaked for leverage. Character means having integrity Please stop the ###### about TPegs wanting people who attend church, that's a leftist slam against Christians as though going to church is somehow a bad thing The fact is character, integrity, honesty are essential qualities to leaders in every industry and business Read some leadership books people Jeez Agreed, there is a lot of that on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 PA was correct, my quibble with the concepts of 'earn' and 'right' notwithstanding. Dudacek's original post is succinct summary insight. Dudacek's usage and spelling of 'milquetoast' gives me hope that civilization's trajectory is not irreversibly down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted April 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 (edited) Character means having integrity Please stop the ###### about TPegs wanting people who attend church, that's a leftist slam against Christians as though going to church is somehow a bad thing The fact is character, integrity, honesty are essential qualities to leaders in every industry and business Read some leadership books people Jeez Do you think Murray had no integrity?Because I think Pegula's issue was more style than substance. And how that laissez-faire style was permeating the organization. As for the anti-Christian thing, I think you are reading some political baggage from elsewhere into my comment. I didn't say bad, or good. Just that Pegula has a "type" in mind and that was a good way of illustrating the type. Edited April 21, 2017 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 The character thing (I gather it was reiterated lot) may be a cumulation of ROR and Kane arrests, but not neseccarily. If tpegs wants us to be more like Notre Dame fbs and less like a SEC team then fine. But I doubt he was talking about the players. Maybe he thought there was some shady stuff going on behind his back. That strengthens the theory of the Eichel story being leaked for leverage. SEC teams win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 I might as well chime in on this character thing. I think it's 100% on the front office and not about the players one bit. A pretty clear picture has been painted of a lack of communication from the coach and GM. That's very easy to picture with the persona Murray presents. The whole thing clearly went off the rails in the last couple months and they need to go in a much different direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-90 W Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 SEC teams win Lol good point. Notre Dame has been on an upswing though not counting last season. But I see your point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 (edited) I might as well chime in on this character thing. I think it's 100% on the front office and not about the players one bit. A pretty clear picture has been painted of a lack of communication from the coach and GM. That's very easy to picture with the persona Murray presents. The whole thing clearly went off the rails in the last couple months and they need to go in a much different direction. :o I agree with you and am happy to see you. Edited April 21, 2017 by d4rksabre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Lol good point. Notre Dame has been on an upswing though not counting last season. But I see your point. They've gone as far as Brian Kelly can take them, that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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