Doohickie Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 FWIW, this is the list of centers for the Caps in 07-08: 15 – Boyd Gordon 19 – Nicklas Backstrom 21 – Brooks Laich 39 – Dave Steckel 91 – Sergei Fedorov 92 – Michael Nylander I'm pretty sure none of those guys is Eichel-level. I'm not sure any of them are ROR level, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to say that. Well Fedorov is in the HOF and Nylander I believe was in the last big year he had for his career but having said that I don't know where they would rate at the time. The Caps did make the playoffs that year so Backstrom had that going for him. And again, I'm not an anti-Samsonite, I just don't see superstar in him. By 07-08, Federov was at the end of his career. By 2009 he was playing in the KHL. Nowhere near his peak (think Gionta on the Sabres.... and then take it down a notch). I don't have a problem with Samson *not* being a superstar. He is still a very important cog in the machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 Read somewhere Vanek actually wanted to come back to the sabres, but management declined him. Was for the same price he is playing in detroit right now. I know he is not liked but I would have taken that deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 Read somewhere Vanek actually wanted to come back to the sabres, but management declined him. Was for the same price he is playing in detroit right now. I know he is not liked but I would have taken that deal. Absolutely. We need more talent on the wings. (I'm about the biggest Vanek fan ever) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 Samson just needs to be more physical Cant just be a taker, needs to learn to dish it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 My point was not to say Samson is as good as Backstrom was in year 2. My point is that when people discuss the best centers or players in the game, I almost never hear Backstrom's name come up until well into the discussion, if ever. But his body of work says he deserves to be in the first few names mentioned. I think he doesn't get in because he doesn't skate like the wind or have a laser beam shot or send guys flying with huge hits...he's a sublimely smooth player with great passing, but physically he doesn't jump off the ice at you. Reinhart's in that mold--there's even an argument he was better than Jack at even strength last year, but good luck convincing anyone of it. Yup. All of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 (edited) http://www.sabresprospects.com/2017/01/digging-into-impact-of-sam-reinhart.html Great article on Sam's value to the Sabres. Sam's next deal will be very interesting. My rule of thumb is $100k per point. Sam had 42 last year and is on pace for around 53 this season. If he takes another step next season, are we looking at a $6 per season deal? FYI, Jack is on a 70 point pace this season (if he hadn't gotten hurt). Edited February 24, 2017 by GASabresIUFAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 Sam was missed the last couple of games in front of the net especially on the power play. It was noticeable and the powerplay suffered without him. Kid is growing up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matter2003 Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 Thomas Vanek...but Vanek was better than Rheinhart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 Thomas Vanek...but Vanek was better than Rheinhart In the end, Rdeidndhardted, will be better. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 In the end, Rdeidndhardted, will be better. ;) Is that how John Travolta would have said it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 Is that how John Travolta would have said it? Introducing, the wIckedly talented, Sam Dazeem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matter2003 Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 Read somewhere Vanek actually wanted to come back to the sabres, but management declined him. Was for the same price he is playing in detroit right now. I know he is not liked but I would have taken that deal. Me too...he isn't the 35-40 goal scorer he was once but he's good for 20...has 38 points in 47 games this year...could have used that when Eichel was hurt for 20 games... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 Introducing, the wIckedly talented, Sam Dazeem I found the Travolta your name app and it came out with Shannon Reynzo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-90 W Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 Vanek was the king of camping out in the crease and knocking rebounds in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 (edited) I found the Travolta your name app and it came out with Shannon Reynzo. Eternally in your debt for bringing this to my attention. Don't even need to download it! http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/low_concept/2014/03/john_travolta_called_idina_menzel_adele_dazeem_what_s_your_travolta_name.html Edited February 24, 2017 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 Vanek was the king of camping out in the crease and knocking rebounds in. Dave Andrechcuk sez Vanek can't have his crown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 Samson has been quietly the best player for me this year. Most of the creative things came from him on both sides of the rink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 Samson has been quietly the best player for me this year. Most of the creative things came from him on both sides of the rink. I agree. He's had a couple of gaffs, but I can blame those on youth. Every other time, he always does the exact thing you think a player should do in that situation to make the right play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 Samson has been quietly the best player for me this year. Most of the creative things came from him on both sides of the rink. I agree. He's had a couple of gaffs, but I can blame those on youth. Every other time, he always does the exact thing you think a player should do in that situation to make the right play. Agree. Really his most notable screw-ups happen when he fails to bury golden chances. Mostly because he is a playmaker, not a finisher. But hey, why should we care about missing out on a first-line calibre centre when we can have top six winger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 Agree. Really his most notable screw-ups happen when he fails to bury golden chances. Mostly because he is a playmaker, not a finisher. But hey, why should we care about missing out on a first-line calibre centre when we can have top six winger? I'm confused, are you saying we should play Reinhart in the middle (ahead of Jack and ROR)? Or is this a reference to Kane? The goals to assists ratio this season is what I always expected from Sam. I thought he'd be the guy who feed Jack (and Kane?) the puck in scoring positions, not the other way around. However, I think Sam has the skills to score 30 when he hits his prime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 Sam Reinhart has the brains and the hands be an elite centre, somewhere between Bergeron and Sedin. He does not have the skill set to be an elite winger; he lacks the size, speed and shot. His upside on the wing isn't much more than we see now, sort of a better Brad Boyes, a Thomas Vanek without the shot, but with some defence. I have no time for "but who's going to be on the third line?" rigid arguments. The best Sabres team in the past 20 years had Drury, Briere and Connolly on different lines. What's wrong with the option of having an elite player out every shift? Kyle and Ryan; Jack and Alex; Sam and Evander. Let those guys roll. Mix and match the best of Carrier, Fasching, Baptiste, Bailey, Rodrigues, Pu, Asplund, Larsson, Foligno and Girgensons into the other six spots around them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 Sam Reinhart has the brains and the hands be an elite centre, somewhere between Bergeron and Sedin. He does not have the skill set to be an elite winger; he lacks the size, speed and shot. His upside on the wing isn't much more than we see now, sort of a better Brad Boyes, a Thomas Vanek without the shot, but with some defence. I have no time for "but who's going to be on the third line?" rigid arguments. The best Sabres team in the past 20 years had Drury, Briere and Connolly on different lines. What's wrong with the option of having an elite player out every shift? Kyle and Ryan; Jack and Alex; Sam and Evander. Let those guys roll. Mix and match the best of Carrier, Fasching, Baptiste, Bailey, Rodrigues, Pu, Asplund, Larsson, Foligno and Girgensons into the other six spots around them This post is a beaut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 Sam Reinhart has the brains and the hands be an elite centre, somewhere between Bergeron and Sedin. He does not have the skill set to be an elite winger; he lacks the size, speed and shot. His upside on the wing isn't much more than we see now, sort of a better Brad Boyes, a Thomas Vanek without the shot, but with some defence. I have no time for "but who's going to be on the third line?" rigid arguments. The best Sabres team in the past 20 years had Drury, Briere and Connolly on different lines. What's wrong with the option of having an elite player out every shift? Kyle and Ryan; Jack and Alex; Sam and Evander. Let those guys roll. Mix and match the best of Carrier, Fasching, Baptiste, Bailey, Rodrigues, Pu, Asplund, Larsson, Foligno and Girgensons into the other six spots around them Amen, I say! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 Vanek and Reinhart have very different styles in front of the net. Vanek planted himself and hung in there. His signature tip was usually between his own legs. Samson is more of a lurker, constantly swiveling around the goal and timing his screen with the shot. I remember most of Reinhart's tips being higher than Vanek's, with Sam bringing his stick down to make ridiculously exact slight contact. Yes. Vanek exposed himself to more punishing hits and paid for it, too. Samson is more of a stealth player Sam Reinhart has the brains and the hands be an elite centre, somewhere between Bergeron and Sedin. He does not have the skill set to be an elite winger; he lacks the size, speed and shot. His upside on the wing isn't much more than we see now, sort of a better Brad Boyes, a Thomas Vanek without the shot, but with some defence. I have no time for "but who's going to be on the third line?" rigid arguments. The best Sabres team in the past 20 years had Drury, Briere and Connolly on different lines. What's wrong with the option of having an elite player out every shift? Kyle and Ryan; Jack and Alex; Sam and Evander. Let those guys roll. Mix and match the best of Carrier, Fasching, Baptiste, Bailey, Rodrigues, Pu, Asplund, Larsson, Foligno and Girgensons into the other six spots around them He really reminds me of Burgeron. Very similar players, IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 Duda, i think it is perfectly reasonable to think we should be eventually move Sam back to center as our third center. However, I somewhat disagree that Sam can't be a very good winger long-term. We have seen him be effective as a net front presence and now as a playmaker. This isn't to different then Patrick Kane. Im not saying Samson is as good or will be as good as Kane, but he has many of the same attributes. That said, if we can get 20+ goal type performance from guys like Nylander, Bailey, and Baptiste, moving Sam to 3rd center could be a luxury we can afford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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