Vesey signs with Rangers; huge thread now moot

[French Collection]

Ironic that Lindros' wife is from Quebec and he bought a fishing lodge on Lake Kipawa in Northern Quebec.

He also refused to report to Sault Ste Marie in the OHL when they drafted him. Forced to trade his rights to Oshawa.

Good player but I view him as a baby as well.

[GrassValleyGreg]

don't think for a second our GM picks a player to lure in another one.

 

Maybe. But in Round 3, the board gets clustered and BPA can be 6 equally rated skaters. One might emerge because of fit, position, or possibly in this case, to complete the holy Boston youth triumvirate. Playing with the kids you grew up with is an awfully nice bonus. Who knows, but I'd be surprised if it wasn't on TM mind. 

[Tolstoy]

 

Let us go then, you and I,

When the evening is spread out against the sky

Like a patient etherized upon a table;

Let us go, through certain half-deserted streets,

The muttering retreats

Of restless nights in one-night cheap hotels

And sawdust restaurants with oyster-shells:

Streets that follow like a tedious argument

Of insidious intent

To lead you to an overwhelming question ...

Oh, do not ask, “What is it?”

Let us go and make our visit.

 

In the room the women come and go

Talking of Michelangelo.

 

The yellow fog that rubs its back upon the window-panes,

The yellow smoke that rubs its muzzle on the window-panes,

Licked its tongue into the corners of the evening,

Lingered upon the pools that stand in drains,

Let fall upon its back the soot that falls from chimneys,

Slipped by the terrace, made a sudden leap,

And seeing that it was a soft October night,

Curled once about the house, and fell asleep.

 

And indeed there will be time

For the yellow smoke that slides along the street,

Rubbing its back upon the window-panes;

There will be time, there will be time

To prepare a face to meet the faces that you meet;

There will be time to murder and create,

And time for all the works and days of hands

That lift and drop a question on your plate;

Time for you and time for me,

And time yet for a hundred indecisions,

And for a hundred visions and revisions,

Before the taking of a toast and tea.

 

In the room the women come and go

Talking of Michelangelo.

 

And indeed there will be time

To wonder, “Do I dare?” and, “Do I dare?”

Time to turn back and descend the stair,

With a bald spot in the middle of my hair —

(They will say: “How his hair is growing thin!”)

My morning coat, my collar mounting firmly to the chin,

My necktie rich and modest, but asserted by a simple pin —

(They will say: “But how his arms and legs are thin!”)

Do I dare

Disturb the universe?

In a minute there is time

For decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse.

 

For I have known them all already, known them all:

Have known the evenings, mornings, afternoons,

I have measured out my life with coffee spoons;

I know the voices dying with a dying fall

Beneath the music from a farther room.

               So how should I presume?

 

And I have known the eyes already, known them all—

The eyes that fix you in a formulated phrase,

And when I am formulated, sprawling on a pin,

When I am pinned and wriggling on the wall,

Then how should I begin

To spit out all the butt-ends of my days and ways?

               And how should I presume?

 

And I have known the arms already, known them all—

Arms that are braceleted and white and bare

(But in the lamplight, downed with light brown hair!)

Is it perfume from a dress

That makes me so digress?

Arms that lie along a table, or wrap about a shawl.

               And should I then presume?

               And how should I begin?

 

Shall I say, I have gone at dusk through narrow streets

And watched the smoke that rises from the pipes

Of lonely men in shirt-sleeves, leaning out of windows? ...

 

I should have been a pair of ragged claws

Scuttling across the floors of silent seas.

 

And the afternoon, the evening, sleeps so peacefully!

Smoothed by long fingers,

Asleep ... tired ... or it malingers,

Stretched on the floor, here beside you and me.

Should I, after tea and cakes and ices,

Have the strength to force the moment to its crisis?

But though I have wept and fasted, wept and prayed,

Though I have seen my head (grown slightly bald) brought in upon a platter,

I am no prophet — and here’s no great matter;

I have seen the moment of my greatness flicker,

And I have seen the eternal Footman hold my coat, and snicker,

And in short, I was afraid.

 

And would it have been worth it, after all,

After the cups, the marmalade, the tea,

Among the porcelain, among some talk of you and me,

Would it have been worth while,

To have bitten off the matter with a smile,

To have squeezed the universe into a ball

To roll it towards some overwhelming question,

To say: “I am Lazarus, come from the dead,

Come back to tell you all, I shall tell you all”—

If one, settling a pillow by her head

               Should say: “That is not what I meant at all;

               That is not it, at all.”

 

And would it have been worth it, after all,

Would it have been worth while,

After the sunsets and the dooryards and the sprinkled streets,

After the novels, after the teacups, after the skirts that trail along the floor—

And this, and so much more?—

It is impossible to say just what I mean!

But as if a magic lantern threw the nerves in patterns on a screen:

Would it have been worth while

If one, settling a pillow or throwing off a shawl,

And turning toward the window, should say:

               “That is not it at all,

               That is not what I meant, at all.”

 

No! I am not Prince Hamlet, nor was meant to be;

Am an attendant lord, one that will do

To swell a progress, start a scene or two,

Advise the prince; no doubt, an easy tool,

Deferential, glad to be of use,

Politic, cautious, and meticulous;

Full of high sentence, but a bit obtuse;

At times, indeed, almost ridiculous—

Almost, at times, the Fool.

 

I grow old ... I grow old ...

I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.

 

Shall I part my hair behind?   Do I dare to eat a peach?

I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach.

I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each.

 

I do not think that they will sing to me.

 

I have seen them riding seaward on the waves

Combing the white hair of the waves blown back

When the wind blows the water white and black.

We have lingered in the chambers of the sea

By sea-girls wreathed with seaweed red and brown

Till human voices wake us, and we drown.

 

The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock!!! Haven't heard that in years. Well-said.

[Ogre]

Ironic that Lindros' wife is from Quebec and he bought a fishing lodge on Lake Kipawa in Northern Quebec.

He also refused to report to Sault Ste Marie in the OHL when they drafted him. Forced to trade his rights to Oshawa.

Good player but I view him as a baby as well.

Yep. Very good player. That's why all of us guys that chose Quebec over Montreal(which we were closer to) felt betrayed. The Nords were coming on. I was a year out of college/work and looking for just one reason to stay. That was it. It worked out well for me in the end. I bounced around and ended up in Roch in a Calder cup year. I've had 20 yrs here, a full life and have the rest of it to enjoy Sabres/Amerks hockey. I forgive you, Eric. Maybe I was the big baby.

[Huckleberry]

3 days and we sign him no worries :D

Otherwise my Tom webster contest really takes a hit.  :unsure:

Edited June 28, 2016 by Huckleberry

[Brawndo]

Allan Muir of SI reporting the Sabres will not have to wait long for Vesey to sign and he expects him to be a Sabre in 2016-17.

[GoPre]

Allan Muir of SI reporting the Sabres will not have to wait long for Vesey to sign and he expects him to be a Sabre in 2016-17.

As I began reading the post I was like please say he intends to sign. If he signs, gotta celebrate that.

[That Aud Smell]

Allan Muir of SI reporting the Sabres will not have to wait long for Vesey to sign and he expects him to be a Sabre in 2016-17.

 

Muir had opined as much in a June 20 column. 

[bunomatic]

Muir had opined as much in a June 20 column. 

Muir of the same ?

[That Aud Smell]

Muir of the same ?

 

Right. Allan Muir of SI had written a piece on June 20th in which he offered his take that Vesey would be signed well before August 15. That opinion is being circulated on Twitter now. I don't think it's new.

 

http://www.si.com/nhl/2016/06/20/jimmy-vesey-trade-predators-sabres-free-agency

 

Buffalo now has an exclusive negotiating window with Vesey that closes Aug. 15. They won’t need that long. Expect Vesey to open the 2016-17 season with the Sabres.

[DirtDart]

Ironic that Lindros' wife is from Quebec and he bought a fishing lodge on Lake Kipawa in Northern Quebec.

He also refused to report to Sault Ste Marie in the OHL when they drafted him. Forced to trade his rights to Oshawa.

Good player but I view him as a baby as well.

Lindros had Daddy issues. That was his biggest problem.

[PASabreFan]

Muir of the same ?

I got it. I got it and I embrace and appreciate you. You are valued.

[That Aud Smell]

I got it. I got it and I embrace and appreciate you. You are valued.

 

DAMMIT.

 

(Sorry. Distracted poster here. WELL TURNED!)

[kas23]

Lindros had Daddy issues. That was his biggest problem.

A lot of NHL players apparently have Daddy issues. Lemieux and Vesey immediately come to mind.

[Eleven]

A lot of NHL players apparently have Daddy issues. Lemieux and Vesey immediately come to mind.

 

Not to that level, though.

[K-9]

The criticism of Vesey vis a vis his dealings with Nashville is ridiculous, bordering on stupid. 

 

Four years ago he was drafted as a third round prospect. In those interim four years, he developed as a prospect to the point where he would have been a top 10 choice in this year's draft. 

 

There is a rule in place that allows four year college players to become UFAs. 

 

If anyone here had increased his value as a player like Vesey has, would you still sign with your original team or would you take advantage of a rule that allows you to maximize your earnings? Would you simply have signed on with Nashville as the 3rd rounder you were drafted as?

 

The idea that this is indicative of some character flaw in Vesey is absurd. If anything, it's a sign of intelligence. 

 

GO SABRES!!!

[Derrico]

The criticism of Vesey vis a vis his dealings with Nashville is ridiculous, bordering on stupid. 

 

Four years ago he was drafted as a third round prospect. In those interim four years, he developed as a prospect to the point where he would have been a top 10 choice in this year's draft. 

 

There is a rule in place that allows four year college players to become UFAs. 

 

If anyone here had increased his value as a player like Vesey has, would you still sign with your original team or would you take advantage of a rule that allows you to maximize your earnings? Would you simply have signed on with Nashville as the 3rd rounder you were drafted as?

 

The idea that this is indicative of some character flaw in Vesey is absurd. If anything, it's a sign of intelligence. 

 

GO SABRES!!!

I don't believe he will maximize earnings by doing this as he can still only sign an ELC with whichever team he signs with.  But this does give him the opportunity to choose where he wants to go.

[K-9]

I don't believe he will maximize earnings by doing this as he can still only sign an ELC with whichever team he signs with.  But this does give him the opportunity to choose where he wants to go.

Would Nashville automatically have signed him to a maximum ELC which reflects his improvement as a player or would they have started negotiations from the viewpoint that he was a 3rd round pick four years ago? We don't know for sure, but if it is the latter, then he most definitely maximized his earning potential. 

 

GO SABRES!!!

[kas23]

The criticism of Vesey vis a vis his dealings with Nashville is ridiculous, bordering on stupid.

 

Four years ago he was drafted as a third round prospect. In those interim four years, he developed as a prospect to the point where he would have been a top 10 choice in this year's draft.

 

There is a rule in place that allows four year college players to become UFAs.

 

If anyone here had increased his value as a player like Vesey has, would you still sign with your original team or would you take advantage of a rule that allows you to maximize your earnings? Would you simply have signed on with Nashville as the 3rd rounder you were drafted as?

 

The idea that this is indicative of some character flaw in Vesey is absurd. If anything, it's a sign of intelligence.

 

GO SABRES!!!

How has he increased his value? He's still limited by the maximum you can get in an ELC. And I'm sure Nashville would've given him that maximum considering they told him he would be a top-6 forward. Saying he would've got less is anyone's guess because he flat out refused to negotiate with Nashville b

 

You know, for someone who is grossly informed, your post was long-winded and bordering on insulting.

Edited June 30, 2016 by kas23

[That Aud Smell]

How has he increased his value? He's still limited by the maximum you can get in an ELC. And I'm sure Nashville would've given him that maximum considering they told him he would be a top-6 forward. Saying he would've got less is anyone's guess because he flat out refused to negotiate with Nashville b

 

It's true that he can't really improve on his ELC by shopping around (assuming he has several teams offering a maxed out deal with all possible bonuses), but he can certainly improve his career trajectory and ultimate earning potential by landing somewhere where he thinks he can shine. Top-6 minutes with Team A may not be as attractive as those minutes with Team B.

 

*COUGH*Eichel*COUGH*

[K-9]

How has he increased his value? He's still limited by the maximum you can get in an ELC. And I'm sure Nashville would've given him that maximum considering they told him he would be a top-6 forward. Saying he would've got less is anyone's guess because he flat out refused to negotiate with Nashville b

 

You know, for someone who is grossly informed, your post was long-winded and bordering on insulting.

Is it a known fact that Nashville would have automatically given their former third round pick a maximum ELC? If not, he maximized his earning potential. Is it a known fact that they recognized he had improved his game to the point of being a top 10 draft prospect? Or would they have started negotiations from the 3rd round standpoint he was originally? Pretty simple concept, really. 

 

Long winded and insulting? Why, because I suggested that everyone here would have been stupid not to take advantage of the same employment opportunity? You'll get over it. 

 

GO SABRES!!!

Edited June 30, 2016 by K-9

[That Aud Smell]

I also agree with the point K-9 was making about how it's weak sauce to fault Vesey for wanting to pick his spot. He's done a lotta hard work to get to where he is, and the rules permit him to choose his own path. If anything, I think this speaks well of him.

[TrueBlueGED]

Is it a known fact that Nashville would have automatically given their former third round pick a maximum ELC? If not, he maximized his earning potential. Pretty simple concept, really. 

 

Long winded and insulting? Why, because I suggested that everyone here would have been stupid not to take advantage of the same employment opportunity? You'll get over it. 

 

GO SABRES!!!

 

Poile flat out said they offered him the max, plus guaranteed top-6 time in the playoffs. Frankly, any alternative doesn't pass the sniff test. Poile isn't a moron, he knows that if he tried to lowball Vesey it'd all but guarantee he goes to free agency.

[Iron Crotch]

The criticism of Vesey vis a vis his dealings with Nashville is ridiculous, bordering on stupid. 

 

Four years ago he was drafted as a third round prospect. In those interim four years, he developed as a prospect to the point where he would have been a top 10 choice in this year's draft. 

 

There is a rule in place that allows four year college players to become UFAs. 

 

If anyone here had increased his value as a player like Vesey has, would you still sign with your original team or would you take advantage of a rule that allows you to maximize your earnings? Would you simply have signed on with Nashville as the 3rd rounder you were drafted as?

 

The idea that this is indicative of some character flaw in Vesey is absurd. If anything, it's a sign of intelligence. 

 

GO SABRES!!!

 

His earnings would have been maximized by signing with Nashville after his college season ended. He'd have been paid for last season and his ELC would have kicked in a year sooner. He left substantial money on the table by NOT signing with Nashville.

[K-9]

Poile flat out said they offered him the max, plus guaranteed top-6 time in the playoffs. Frankly, any alternative doesn't pass the sniff test. Poile isn't a moron, he knows that if he tried to lowball Vesey it'd all but guarantee he goes to free agency.

I didn't know that, thanks for the clarification. 

 

So now we are just mad at him for taking advantage of a rule that allows him to choose his place of employment. 

 

Got it. 

 

GO SABRES!!!