wjag Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 (edited) Ryan is on outs with Bluejackets. He's 3 years younger and a Center.Ryan is 6.3 and 215What do you guys think? Edited January 7, 2016 by wjag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Collection Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 They would want more than Ennis. They may want to reunite the Foligno brothers plus have us throw in a draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted December 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 They would want more than Ennis. They may want to reunite the Foligno brothers plus have us throw in a draft pick. I think I would still do it with a draft pick thrown in OR Foligno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted December 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 Edit: After comparing stats, I'd give them Foligno and a pick too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 (edited) I'm interested. I have a fondness for Penticton and Kelowna. Interesting articles on Johansen and Torts. Torts and Vinny http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/ryan-johansen-healthy-scratched--what-s-end-game-with-tortorella-203217767.html Columbus President John Davidson and Johansen http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2015/12/18/blue-jackets-president-davidson-doesnt-exactly-quell-johansen-trade-speculation/ Regarding Johansen v. Ennis: The pluses and minuses are different. I read about lazy passes leading to turnovers with Johansen where with Ennis I see more erratic play at a frenzied pace leading to the same turnovers. Everything's coach able.. I think it comes down to Torts v. GMTM. Who's more likely to be successful making the correction, tough love Torts or astute team builder GMTM/DB? I'd like to see a talented finisher alongside our young centers. Ennis is a creator. We may not need that as much as a finisher. It also comes down to need in another context. LHD for Ennis, anyone? If that's in GMTM's back pocket, Ennis stays for now. I'd listen long and hard to Ennis and Foligno or Ennis and a second or Ennis and a prospect not named Baptiste, Bailey, Guhle, Compher or Fasching. Ennis is what he is. I like him. I feel I know his ceiling. Johansen's may be higher. Geography stereotyping - what say you, Dudacek? Edited December 19, 2015 by N'eo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 Edit: After comparing stats, I'd give them Foligno and a pick too... I love the idea of the Sabres adding Johansen, I just can't see the Jackets giving him up for a package built around Ennis. Giving up a 6'3" 30 goal scorer for a 5' 9" 20 goal scorer just doesn't seem like good value. Foligno at this point is nothing more than a fourth line throw-in. You would have to include a player like McCabe or Pysyk along with some healthy picks like a 1st and 3rd or a couple of 2nds with Ennis and Foligno. If I'm the Jackets GM I want full value which is NHL ready players, prospect and picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 I really don't see how Ennis and Foligno get you Johansen. Maybe I don't value our guys enough. I also think a center has to be going the other way. No one wants to trade 90, 23 or 15 so I guess it's 28? Maybe Ennis, Girgensons, Foligno for Johansen and Connauton? Just throwing it out there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted December 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 (edited) I love the idea of the Sabres adding Johansen, I just can't see the Jackets giving him up for a package built around Ennis. Giving up a 6'3" 30 goal scorer for a 5' 9" 20 goal scorer just doesn't seem like good value. Foligno at this point is nothing more than a fourth line throw-in. You would have to include a player like McCabe or Pysyk along with some healthy picks like a 1st and 3rd or a couple of 2nds with Ennis and Foligno. If I'm the Jackets GM I want full value which is NHL ready players, prospect and picks. I hear you.. sometimes I am amazed how we underestimate trade value. Torts doesn't like him and has made him a healthy scratch. My guess is he has achieved 'cancer' status in Columbus. This might not be as hard as it seems. Edited December 19, 2015 by wjag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 (edited) I think the last three posts are closer to value going the other way than my original post. Edited December 19, 2015 by N'eo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted December 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 I'd also throw in that this is a down week for games, so this might just be the time to do it. Less distractions, except Christmas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 I hear you.. sometimes I am amazed how we underestimate trade value. Torts doesn't like him and has made him a healthy scratch. My guess is he has achieved 'cancer' status in Columbus. This might not be as hard as it seems. He is only 23. Compare that price to the price the Sabres paid for a 23 year old Evander Kane, two NHL players, two prospects and a 1st round pick. Is Ennis and Foligno comparable to Myers and Stafford value wise? That would determine the mix prospects and picks you would need to add. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 The Sabres need someone who plays Ennis's role. So while I don't hate the trade idea (and throw Foligno in there by all means), I do wonder who the scrappy winger who can score from anywhere is going to be if Ennis goes. Speaking of whom, this board is pretty down on him lately and I wonder why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 He is only 23. Compare that price to the price the Sabres paid for a 23 year old Evander Kane, two NHL players, two prospects and a 1st round pick. Is Ennis and Foligno comparable to Myers and Stafford value wise? That would determine the mix prospects and picks you would need to add. So Bogosian was free? Considering Nick Foligno's progression through the years, Marcus may have more value in trade than we expect. A top 6 winger, a solid bottom 6 guy that MAY be a diamond in the rough, and a lottery ticket for Matthews could be close to value for a "team cancer." Really depends on how much 28 other teams are willing to part with for giving him a change of scenery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 So Bogosian was free? Considering Nick Foligno's progression through the years, Marcus may have more value in trade than we expect. A top 6 winger, a solid bottom 6 guy that MAY be a diamond in the rough, and a lottery ticket for Matthews could be close to value for a "team cancer." Really depends on how much 28 other teams are willing to part with for giving him a change of scenery. I'm not giving up Ennis, Foligno, and a first. No way. They can have a third. Or a first in 2018 or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 It's going to take a lot more than Ennis, Foligno and a pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 So Bogosian was free? Considering Nick Foligno's progression through the years, Marcus may have more value in trade than we expect. A top 6 winger, a solid bottom 6 guy that MAY be a diamond in the rough, and a lottery ticket for Matthews could be close to value for a "team cancer." Really depends on how much 28 other teams are willing to part with for giving him a change of scenery. Taking on Bogosian's contract was part of the price the Sabres had to pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 Agree that to get a young pro of this quality, it'd likely take a value comparable to Ennis (McCabe?), Girgs, and a pick. I'm with Eleven, though. The 2016 first should be retained if at all possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 My general philosophy on fan trade proposals is find the compensation where you finally say "I wouldn't do that", and start from there… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 My general philosophy on fan trade proposals is find the compensation where you finally say "I wouldn't do that", and start from there… Good point. Ennis, Pysyk, 2016 1st, 2015 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 Taking on Bogosian's contract was part of the price the Sabres had to pay. I don't agree with this at all. GMTM wasn't going to trade Myers without a top 4 defenseman coming back. Having said that, I generally agree that Ennis and Foligno isn't going to get it done. The Sabres would need to include something like Pysyk, McCabe or Zemgus. I also agree that next year's #1 is off the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 It's going to take a lot more than Ennis, Foligno and a pick. Agree that to get a young pro of this quality, it'd likely take a value comparable to Ennis (McCabe?), Girgs, and a pick. I'm with Eleven, though. The 2016 first should be retained if at all possible. My general philosophy on fan trade proposals is find the compensation where you finally say "I wouldn't do that", and start from there… Which is fine. IMO, they don't need Ryan Johansen badly enough to put a big package together. The Sabres have three quality centers for the future at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR HOLLIDAY Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 I don't agree with this at all. GMTM wasn't going to trade Myers without a top 4 defenseman coming back. Having said that, I generally agree that Ennis and Foligno isn't going to get it done. The Sabres would need to include something like Pysyk, McCabe or Zemgus. I also agree that next year's #1 is off the table. Agreed, our #1 should be off the table.........I think no big trades need to get done until the summer and that could be avoided by a free agent signing or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 It's going to take a lot more than Ennis, Foligno and a pick. I don't think we're in the position or need of Johansen then. I would love to have him, but we have a similar if not better player in ROR, and already have a ton of centers. We need some actual scoring wingers now IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 Ryan is on outs with Bluejackets. He's 3 years younger and a Center. Ryan is 6.3 and 215 What do you guys think? The Sabres are loaded at C, where exactly is he going to play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 Taking on Bogosian's contract was part of the price the Sabres had to pay. So it was Kane for Myers, Stafford, Lemieux, Armia, a 1st, & acceptance of Bogosian's & Kasdorf's contracts? :huh: :lol: I don't agree with this at all. GMTM wasn't going to trade Myers without a top 4 defenseman coming back. Having said that, I generally agree that Ennis and Foligno isn't going to get it done. The Sabres would need to include something like Pysyk, McCabe or Zemgus. I also agree that next year's #1 is off the table. Not saying that that is what I'd give up for him (not saying it isn't either - haven't really thought about how much value he'd bring to the Sabres as the roster is currently set up, which is what would determine his value to Buffalo), just that it isn't as far out of ballpark as has been insinuated. And your unwillingness to make that trade furthers that belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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