Taro T Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Realistically, what would it take to get OEL? I'll keep Ennis and Pysyk over Fowler. Probably Risto, Ennis and a pick? Maybe more? That's a reasonable guess. IF they'd take Risto, Ennis, & a pick for him; get it done today. :) Risto looks like he'll be very good. OEL is truly elite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 You give up assets for Fowler because he fits age-wise. Enstrom, not so much. OEL is a pipe dream. Risto, Bogo, McCabe and Fowler could be a cup-winning top four, assuming the two youngest hit their ceilings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted November 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 I'd imagine for them to realistically trade him we'd need to give up Jack. I definitely disagree. I think OEL is an elite defender who would have at least one Norris on a better team, but he's not worth the second best prospect in the game (who has already shown he can play and is one of the top prospects of the last decade). Reinhart could enter the convo, but I think Risto would absolutely have to be the centerpiece as Arizona already has a ton of young forwards. Then Reinhart, Ennis and picks are the other options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 I definitely disagree. I think OEL is an elite defender who would have at least one Norris on a better team, but he's not worth the second best prospect in the game (who has already shown he can play and is one of the top prospects of the last decade). Reinhart could enter the convo, but I think Risto would absolutely have to be the centerpiece as Arizona already has a ton of young forwards. Then Reinhart, Ennis and picks are the other options. I dont think so, If you trade Risto to get OEL there is no point in making this deal. Coyotes were already rumoured to be interested in Reinhart before the draft, they need a 1C wich they don't have in their system. Reinhart and one of McCabe or Pysyk should get it done, maybe add a 2nd rounder. Doubt murray will make a trade before the deadline though, and after that we can still go after Yandle :p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samson's Flow Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 I definitely disagree. I think OEL is an elite defender who would have at least one Norris on a better team, but he's not worth the second best prospect in the game (who has already shown he can play and is one of the top prospects of the last decade). Reinhart could enter the convo, but I think Risto would absolutely have to be the centerpiece as Arizona already has a ton of young forwards. Then Reinhart, Ennis and picks are the other options. There's no point in trading OEL to get Risto. They are both young top pair defensemen. It's like trading a ham sandwich for a ham sub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 (edited) I definitely disagree. I think OEL is an elite defender who would have at least one Norris on a better team, but he's not worth the second best prospect in the game (who has already shown he can play and is one of the top prospects of the last decade). Reinhart could enter the convo, but I think Risto would absolutely have to be the centerpiece as Arizona already has a ton of young forwards. Then Reinhart, Ennis and picks are the other options. I agree value-wise that he's not worth Eichel at all. I just don't think they trade him for anything less, and yotes fans on hf have expressed similar feelings. Edited November 18, 2015 by Randall Flagg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted November 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 There's no point in trading OEL to get Risto. They are both young top pair defensemen. It's like trading a ham sandwich for a ham sub. It'd be like trading a ham sandwich for a ham sub with a side of potato chips and a coupon. Risto would fill their OEL hole and has a ton of potential then they'd target two or three other needs with the other pieces. Could center it on Reinhart and use Pysyk/McCabe along with other pieces for quantity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 It'd be like trading a ham sandwich for a ham sub with a side of potato chips and a coupon. Risto would fill their OEL hole and has a ton of potential then they'd target two or three other needs with the other pieces. Could center it on Reinhart and use Pysyk/McCabe along with other pieces for quantity. Seems to me you want the coyotes to win the stanley cup :p OEL isn't that much better than Risto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 It'd be like trading a ham sandwich for a ham sub with a side of potato chips and a coupon. Risto would fill their OEL hole and has a ton of potential then they'd target two or three other needs with the other pieces. Could center it on Reinhart and use Pysyk/McCabe along with other pieces for quantity. And remind me why would Sabres make this trade??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samson's Flow Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 And remind me why would Sabres make this trade??? They don't like potato chips? :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 I wrote a longer response but had to delete it. I think this conversation is way off the rails in terms of value of players. Jack Eichel certainly isn't available for trade and the alternative discussion is just terrible. You are depleting all of your depth for 1 player. I would rather see what Rasmus brings to the table considering how great he has been in the last 30 games or so. Trading Sam Reinhart now before he improves his value is like having a royal flush and folding because you already made some money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 And remind me why would Sabres make this trade??? We're not advocating anything. The original question was, "What is OEL's worth?" This is what we think it is It'd be like trading a ham sandwich for a ham sub with a side of potato chips and a coupon. Risto would fill their OEL hole and has a ton of potential then they'd target two or three other needs with the other pieces. Could center it on Reinhart and use Pysyk/McCabe along with other pieces for quantity. Exactly. Any chance we can substitute Reinhart for a 1st + Ennis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Trading Sam Reinhart now before he improves his value is like having a royal flush and folding because you already made some money. I see Samson as part of the future core. Eichel will bring the fire, Samson will be the confident, calming influence. Kind of bad cop/good cop. And thus far it seems like Reinhart has somde of the best chemistry with Eichel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 OEL is worth Rasmus, Ennis, 2nd rounder Or Bogosian, Ennis, 1st rounder. OEL is signed for years and there is no need to trade him. If I were Phoenix, I would keep him. I see Samson as part of the future core. Eichel will bring the fire, Samson will be the confident, calming influence. Kind of bad cop/good cop. And thus far it seems like Reinhart has somde of the best chemistry with Eichel. That's because Reinhart is one of the select players able to process the game at or above Eichel's skill level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 We're not advocating anything. The original question was, "What is OEL's worth?" This is what we think it is Exactly. Any chance we can substitute Reinhart for a 1st + Ennis? Ah, not sure Sabres feel that way, but could see Yotes having these demands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 FWIW on Reinhart, DD said today he is leaps and bounds ahead of where he started at the beginning of September, and that he has been playing very, very well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Also, I don't see GMTM doing much just yet. He's all about building a team. But the team really hasn't gelled yet, so he doesn't really know what pieces he needs, and more importantly, what pieces he wants to move. Get the D pairs settled and let the lines get worked out, then see what the extra pieces are, and move them for the holes you have. I think GMTM is going to let DD implement his system and then they will evaluate what changes need to be made. I'd hate to move an asset that could be part of the future to fill a hole that wasn't really there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 FWIW on Reinhart, DD said today he is leaps and bounds ahead of where he started at the beginning of September, and that he has been playing very, very well Hopefully this translates into some more ES ice time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 FWIW on Reinhart, DD said today he is leaps and bounds ahead of where he started at the beginning of September, and that he has been playing very, very well His ceiling still remains to be seen. So good to watch this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Also, I don't see GMTM doing much just yet. He's all about building a team. But the team really hasn't gelled yet, so he doesn't really know what pieces he needs, and more importantly, what pieces he wants to move. Get the D pairs settled and let the lines get worked out, then see what the extra pieces are, and move them for the holes you have. I think GMTM is going to let DD implement his system and then they will evaluate what changes need to be made. I'd hate to move an asset that could be part of the future to fill a hole that wasn't really there.l This is where I am. Until we see what we have, I am not really interested in any trade that does not involve puck-moving LD 25 or younger. We have done a major reset. Let's see where things settle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Hamonic on the block per Friedman. http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/new-york-islanders-trying-to-trade-hamonic/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Hamonic on the block per Friedman. http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/new-york-islanders-trying-to-trade-hamonic/ I am pretty sure we are not in Western Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 @DarrenDreger 1h1 hour ago Hamonic loves the Isles. This is personal. Wpg, Edmtn, Cgy and Van all preferred. Might expand to other west cities. Tough on Isles... @DarrenDreger 1h1 hour ago Garth Snow wants an equitable player in return. Given status of Hamonic tough deal to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted November 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 I don't think trading for OEL is at all realistic, but I do enjoy talking about it. I also disagree with huckleberry' thought that OEL isn't much better than Risto. I love Risto and think he's got a super high ceiling but he's not near OEL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted November 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Bylsma's comments on Zemgus make me wonder if he's not a fit. I haven't been in love with his play this year. Feels like he's pushing it a bit. Anybody got ideas on players with similar value? Zemgus and Gorges for Vlasic (LHD - SJ)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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