shrader Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 Stamkos >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kane You did read the post, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 Stamkos >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kane Just one stall would do, right? I don't understand why he wouldn't fit in like the rest. Because he's great? I'm terribly sorry, Steven, but I'm afraid our facilities are not equipped to meet your needs. A man of your carriage couldn't possibly fit in one of our locker room stalls. But f you settle down, Mr. Pegula would be happy to treat you to a garbage bag full of popcorn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted December 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 You did read the post, right? I did. If Kane is a casualty of signing Stamkos I'm fine with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 I'd be very hesitant to add a big personality to that locker room right now. This team is becoming a team. How do we know he's a big personality? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted December 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 How do we know he's a big personality? Have you seen his jawline? Duh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 How do we know he's a big personality?Do we really think Stamkos will sign anywhere, especially for the money he wants and will get, and won't expect to be 'the guy' on the team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 How do we know he's a big personality? He's the captain of the lightning. I doubt Yzerman would have a weak captain. Nothing wrong with having a big personality and being the guy. My only concern would be how that fits in Buffalo. Not opposed to acquiring him but the dynamics of the locker room are something to consider on top of all the pieces you would have to trade for him. I mean we are talking Reinhart, Bailey/Baptiste, 1st round pick, and probably Pysyk/McCabe and that might be low balling them. Do we really think Stamkos will sign anywhere, especially for the money he wants and will get, and won't expect to be 'the guy' on the team? That was kind of my thinking. I think he has a great attitude and is a good leader but he's the guy. I am just not sure how that would play in Buffalo. Could work just fine, idk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 I think you'd be kissing Kane goodbye in a few years if you committed to that deal though. He'll be up for too much of a raise once his deal is done. Now, I'd gladly swap him out of our lineup for Stamkos, but I have a very hard time ever seeing the two of them on the same roster for more than 1-2 years. Well, cap realities certainly could dictate that, like Chicago, the Sabres lock up a core of 4 or 5 forwards and 2 or 3 defensemen -- and Kane might not be one of those guys when the time comes. I wouldn't expect that to be the outcome with Kane, but it might. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 For me it's pretty simple: I don't think he's worth what he's going to command as a UFA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 For me it's pretty simple: I don't think he's worth what he's going to command as a UFA. What's your limit, if I may inquire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 My only concern about Stamkos is that I don't think he's a $12 million player and that is what I think he will get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 What's your limit, if I may inquire? Around $9 million. My main issue with Stamkos is that he's a 1-dimensional scorer, who if this season holds, will have just had consecutive seasons of reduced production. That's a pretty big red flag. He'll turn 27 in the middle of the first year of the contract, and he wouldn't be the first guy to show signs of slowing down in his late 20s. To be sure, elite players tend to defy the aging curve longer than good-great players, but the offense is still always the first thing to go. On top of that, if Tampa fans are to be believed, he hasn't been the same player since his leg shattered. The explosiveness isn't there and the ability to consistently get to the slot has been reduced. Lastly, he's butt heads with his coach and GM over position. Cooper liked him more on the wing and Yzerman thinks he should be willing to play both, but he's made it clear he wants to play center. Maybe this is just because he hates Cooper, but I'd like to be able to have the option to move him to the wing if it's in the team's best interest without it causing conflict. Put that all together, and I'm just not willing to sign the guy to a cap busting contract that has a non-trivial possibility of costing me Eichel or Reinhart down the road. If back diving contracts were still a thing and we could lock up the entire core for 75 cents on the dollar, sure, sign me up. But those days are long gone, and I have a hard time imagining we can afford to pay three forwards $11 million+ while still icing a roster deep enough to contend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted December 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 That was somewhat convincing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 Convincing indeed. Still want to open the vault for him, Hoss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted December 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 Convincing indeed. Still want to open the vault for him, Hoss? Yes. But my fingers are clutched to the fence and my mind is wandering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 Around $9 million. My main issue with Stamkos is that he's a 1-dimensional scorer, who if this season holds, will have just had consecutive seasons of reduced production. That's a pretty big red flag. He'll turn 27 in the middle of the first year of the contract, and he wouldn't be the first guy to show signs of slowing down in his late 20s. To be sure, elite players tend to defy the aging curve longer than good-great players, but the offense is still always the first thing to go. On top of that, if Tampa fans are to be believed, he hasn't been the same player since his leg shattered. The explosiveness isn't there and the ability to consistently get to the slot has been reduced. Lastly, he's butt heads with his coach and GM over position. Cooper liked him more on the wing and Yzerman thinks he should be willing to play both, but he's made it clear he wants to play center. Maybe this is just because he hates Cooper, but I'd like to be able to have the option to move him to the wing if it's in the team's best interest without it causing conflict. Put that all together, and I'm just not willing to sign the guy to a cap busting contract that has a non-trivial possibility of costing me Eichel or Reinhart down the road. If back diving contracts were still a thing and we could lock up the entire core for 75 cents on the dollar, sure, sign me up. But those days are long gone, and I have a hard time imagining we can afford to pay three forwards $11 million+ while still icing a roster deep enough to contend. :thumbsup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 Well, cap realities certainly could dictate that, like Chicago, the Sabres lock up a core of 4 or 5 forwards and 2 or 3 defensemen -- and Kane might not be one of those guys when the time comes. I wouldn't expect that to be the outcome with Kane, but it might. I think it will be very telling what kind of deal they wind up working out with Ristolainen before next season. Do they go with a bridge deal or do they wind up with something more long term. That may very well paint a picture for how they wind up dealing with our two rookies in a couple years. That also just happens to be the same exact year Kane's deal is done. As Hoss mentioned upthread, you can make these things work, but it's going to be very interesting given that those three all hit in the same year... with or without anything Stamkos related. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcal Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 Just pure speculation on my part but could the team be allowing Weber and Ennis to heal so that they can be traded and pass a physical for their new team? Webers condition was an ongoing issue he just decided to finally go in and have it cleaned up I read? Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) Travis Yost has some terrific content on league-wide chatter that is apparently intended to get Edmonton to part with some of their elite young talent. Here are the Tweets - but there's more to it if you click through. https://twitter.com/travisyost/status/672522471396913152 Travis Yost @travisyost 8m8 minutes ago Reality is everyone is trying to push Edmonton to the ledge because, you know...track record. 0 retweets0 likes Reply Retweet Like More Travis Yost @travisyost 8m8 minutes ago Fourteen games of Draisaitl (with Hall), I have seen enough! TRADE EVERYONE. Travis Yost added, m g @kikkerlaikaMore Edited December 3, 2015 by That Aud Smell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) It's about ###### time they moved some players. Can't move Yak or Eberle as their value is very low right now, and Yak has shown he can at least wing McJesus, but Hall and RNH should fetch huge returns, and you still have a very good 1-2 center punch. So, what do the Sabres give the Oilers for Taylor Hall? Just pure speculation on my part but could the team be allowing Weber and Ennis to heal so that they can be traded and pass a physical for their new team? Webers condition was an ongoing issue he just decided to finally go in and have it cleaned up I read? Thoughts? Weber is worth maybe a 5th round pick at best in trade value. He is sitting because he is our worst defender Hmmmm, maybe not? Western Executive: "You'd get the most for Hall...I like Hall but there is a missing level of engagement, somehow. You want to love him. He plays hard, with reckless abandon. He tries, he battles. But there is a lack of awareness, it seems to me." https://twitter.com/kikkerlaika/status/672519046877872128 Edited December 3, 2015 by WildCard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcal Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 I agree Weber isn't worth much on his own but as an add on to become some teams 6/7 I could see it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) Hmmmm, maybe not? Western Executive: "You'd get the most for Hall...I like Hall but there is a missing level of engagement, somehow. You want to love him. He plays hard, with reckless abandon. He tries, he battles. But there is a lack of awareness, it seems to me." https://twitter.com/kikkerlaika/status/672519046877872128 Sounds a bit like E Kane, perhaps? Edited December 3, 2015 by MattPie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcal Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 Reasonable contract, veteran with some snarl to his game. Idk, maybe it's more of a dream, wait, was I dreaming? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 Hmmmm, maybe not? Western Executive: "You'd get the most for Hall...I like Hall but there is a missing level of engagement, somehow. You want to love him. He plays hard, with reckless abandon. He tries, he battles. But there is a lack of awareness, it seems to me." https://twitter.com/kikkerlaika/status/672519046877872128 Sounds a bit like E Kane, perhaps? That executive sounds like an idiot. How one couples "missing level of engagement" with "plays hard, with reckless abandon" I have no idea. But whatever team he works for, I want to trade with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterDays06 Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 I would go after Eberle or Yakupov. We need right wingers on this team. The only true right winger I think is Gionta, even sabres.com has Gionta as the only listed Right winger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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