TrueBlueGED Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 (edited) So in no particular order: Weber, Josi, OEL, Karlsson, Suban, Doughty, Keith... who else is on the list of top defenders? Burns, Pietrangelo, Letang, Suter, Klingberg, Weber, Hedman. I think a very under rated Dman is Alex Pietrangelo of the Blues. Does everything well and I think he was in the top 5 for Dman scoring. I take him over Karlsson because he plays some D also. You're about to get beaten with the full weight of a GED diploma :lol: Karlsson may not be as good as Doughty defensively, but it's not like he's Cody Hodgson trying to play defense either. Sure, he gets out-muscled and isn't great directly around the crease, but his gap control and positioning are quite good, and of course he's the best in the league at actually exiting the defensive zone. As some analytics writer I can't remember said: "the worst thing to happen to defensemen was to be named defensemen." But since that runs danger of backlash due to the source, I'll just fall back on one of my favorite quotes...no, not from some analytics blogger, but from Dave Tippett, a coach not exactly known for ignoring team defense: We had a player that was supposed to be a great, shut-down defenseman. He was supposedly the be-all, end-all of defensemen. But when you did a 10-game analysis of him, you found out he was defending all the time because he can’t move the puck. Then we had another guy, who supposedly couldn’t defend a lick. Well, he was defending only 20 percent of the time because he’s making good plays out of our end. He may not be the strongest defender, but he’s only doing it 20 percent of the time. So the equation works out better the other way. I ended up trading the other defenseman. Edited April 21, 2016 by TrueBlueGED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsb Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 (edited) You're about to get beaten with the full weight of a GED diploma Oh no not again!!!!!!! Too late Edited April 21, 2016 by jsb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Oh no not again!!!!!!! Too late I'm eating lunch, you never stood a chance :nana: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Any idea on who that defenseman that was traded away was? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Any idea on who that defenseman that was traded away was? No clue. Although the quote itself is only a few years old, the full context is he was talking about a defenseman on the junior team he ran back in the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 No clue. Although the quote itself is only a few years old, the full context is he was talking about a defenseman on the junior team he ran back in the day. Damn. That is an awesome quote though, I've never thought of it that way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 The Tippett quote perfectly describes Mike Weber, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 The Tippett quote perfectly describes Mike Weber, IMO. holy crap I thought the exact same thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Saw true add Hedman and Suter, they definitely have to be in the discussion. My top defensemen are Doughty Karlsson Subban Keith Josi OEL Weber Hedman Suter The list fluctuates a lot, but EK and Doughty are always 2 of the top 3. Burns may jump in soon and I expect Ekblad eventually as well. Pietrangelo lies just outside with a bunch of other really really good defensemen. Vlasic might be underrated as well, he's not the best offensively but his defensive zone work, to my eye, is impeccable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Where does Risto fall in this list? Top 20? 25? I would say not now but in 2/3 years I would expect it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 I'd be trading Therrien long before I considered trading Subban. The fact they haven't dumped MT crosses the Habs off my list teams to worry about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcal Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Watching NHL tonight and the Pens reporter they were interviewing was giving his thoughts on Malkin. He said Malkin could end up on the block because of the 26 game sample where the kids line and Kessel stepped up not to mention Crosby just exploded so they may think they can do without him. He speculates the team could even lose the trade in order to move salary. Murray has already said that is one way he could possibly improve the roster, by trading for salary. Question is..could Pysyk, a 2016 2nd and 2017 1st get it done and would it be worth it? IMO it's yes to both. Remember the Sabres are taking on $9.5 mil for 6 years so it gives the Pens flexibility which they need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#freejame Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Watching NHL tonight and the Pens reporter they were interviewing was giving his thoughts on Malkin. He said Malkin could end up on the block because of the 26 game sample where the kids line and Kessel stepped up not to mention Crosby just exploded so they may think they can do without him. He speculates the team could even lose the trade in order to move salary. Murray has already said that is one way he could possibly improve the roster, by trading for salary. Question is..could Pysyk, a 2016 2nd and 2017 1st get it done and would it be worth it? IMO it's yes to both. Remember the Sabres are taking on $9.5 mil for 6 years so it gives the Pens flexibility which they need. Malkin doesn't play the wing well so he's gotta play center Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Watching NHL tonight and the Pens reporter they were interviewing was giving his thoughts on Malkin. He said Malkin could end up on the block because of the 26 game sample where the kids line and Kessel stepped up not to mention Crosby just exploded so they may think they can do without him. He speculates the team could even lose the trade in order to move salary. Murray has already said that is one way he could possibly improve the roster, by trading for salary. Question is..could Pysyk, a 2016 2nd and 2017 1st get it done and would it be worth it? IMO it's yes to both. Remember the Sabres are taking on $9.5 mil for 6 years so it gives the Pens flexibility which they need. Is this the modern-day Roy for Malkin proposal? Did we add a second in that one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcal Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Malkin doesn't play the wing well so he's gotta play centerO'Reilly on his left Is this the modern-day Roy for Malkin proposal? Did we add a second in that one?I realize it sounds ridiculous but they would be taking on salary and giving a 1st. Maybe add a prospect from b-lo but it's not completely unthinkable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 (edited) O'Reilly on his left I realize it sounds ridiculous but they would be taking on salary and giving a 1st. Maybe add a prospect from b-lo but it's not completely unthinkable I really think it is completely unthinkable; if Pittsburgh is to trade one of Crosby or Malkin, I believe they'd be looking to get an equally-good defenseman. The popular thing for fans to talk about a few years ago was Shea Weber for Malkin. It would be a franchise-crushing move to trade one of Crosby/Malkin for pieces whose sum will never come close to either one of them, IMO. Edited April 21, 2016 by Randall Flagg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Watching NHL tonight and the Pens reporter they were interviewing was giving his thoughts on Malkin. He said Malkin could end up on the block because of the 26 game sample where the kids line and Kessel stepped up not to mention Crosby just exploded so they may think they can do without him. He speculates the team could even lose the trade in order to move salary. Murray has already said that is one way he could possibly improve the roster, by trading for salary. Question is..could Pysyk, a 2016 2nd and 2017 1st get it done and would it be worth it? IMO it's yes to both. Remember the Sabres are taking on $9.5 mil for 6 years so it gives the Pens flexibility which they need. No that doesn't even move the needle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcal Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 I really think it is completely unthinkable; if Pittsburgh is to trade one of Crosby or Malkin, I believe they'd be looking to get an equally-good defenseman. The popular thing for fans to talk about a few years ago was Shea Weber for Malkin. It would be a franchise-crushing move to trade one of those two guys for pieces whose sum will never come close to Malkin or Crosby IMO.It's similar to whats happening in TB with the AHL coach coming up and liking his guys. The 26 game sample is the reason this is a story at all. No that doesn't even move the needle.Fair enough. What's the trade off of salary to compensation? Is there a pick or prospect equivalent to dollars traded? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 It's similar to whats happening in TB with the AHL coach coming up and liking his guys. The 26 game sample is the reason this is a story at all. Fair enough. What's the trade off of salary to compensation? Is there a pick or prospect equivalent to dollars traded? it's malkin,there isn't much tradeoff. You're looking at Risto, this year's first and stuff to get himIt isn't about dollars it's about talent. Since he still produces it's not a cap dump. He has value. For comparison look at the ROR trade. Malkin will get more. So start there and add better things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcal Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Malkin is on fire tonight, it would take way too much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Malkin goes for a lot more than that. Talking Subban straight up. I've said it for years that they should trade him away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Malkin and Pouliot for Subban and Scherbak, only if Montreal really does want to move Subban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsb Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 I think a very under rated Dman is Alex Pietrangelo of the Blues. Does everything well and I think he was in the top 5 for Dman scoring. I take him over Karlsson because he plays some D also. Played almost 40 minutes yesterday and had 3 assists, can you spell UNDERRATED. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 I think a very under rated Dman is Alex Pietrangelo of the Blues. Does everything well and I think he was in the top 5 for Dman scoring.I think he's pretty highly rated among people in the know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Any idea on who that defenseman that was traded away was? I am pretty sure that quote was TM about Myers ........ :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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