Derrico Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) As the cap basically always increases, in some ways the big contracts are most damaging in their early years. Look at Hossa's contract, huge when he signed it - now very fair value. The same would be true for ROR at 7.5 for 8 years. Plus he would still only be 32 or so when he finished it. We have tons of cap room now, and later (when it matters more) the cap should have increased enough to accommodate it Good points all around. To me it all comes down to what Colorado is asking for in return. Eichel, Reinhart, Risto and Girgs are my only untouchables in a deal. Remember when Drury wanted $5 mil per around 8 years ago? That was star money back then and DR wouldn't pay it. For somebody, sure. As others have said, we may not have the pieces that Colorado wants in return...or I'm talking myself into that so I'm not horribly disappointed when he gets traded to Toronto. :wallbash: :wallbash: Better not happen. Edited June 25, 2015 by Derrico Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samson's Flow Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 As the cap basically always increases, in some ways the big contracts are most damaging in their early years. Look at Hossa's contract, huge when he signed it - now very fair value. The same would be true for ROR at 7.5 for 8 years. Plus he would still only be 32 or so when he finished it. We have tons of cap room now, and later (when it matters more) the cap should have increased enough to accommodate it While a good theory in concept, I am always weary of the "cap will always go up" thought process. From an economy perspective, it is thinking like that which causes stock market crashes and housing bubbles. Be weary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 Good points all around. To me it all comes down to what Colorado is asking for in return. Eichel, Reinhart, Risto and Girgs are my only untouchables in a deal. Remember when Drury wanted $5 mil per around 8 years ago? That was star money back then and DR wouldn't pay it. :wallbash: :wallbash: Better not happen. I honestly don't think it'll happen, but something with Phaneuf and salary retention could work in theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 Good points all around. To me it all comes down to what Colorado is asking for in return. Eichel, Reinhart, Risto and Girgs are my only untouchables in a deal. Remember when Drury wanted $5 mil per around 8 years ago? That was star money back then and DR wouldn't pay it TG sat on the deal for too long and Drury decided to see how green the grass was elsewhere. . :wallbash: :wallbash: Better not happen. Fixed for accuracy. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 Still not interested in RoR, price will be to high for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 Nick Kypreos @RealKyper With new contract talks in ballpark of 60M for max contract to resign Ryan O'Reilly, #Avs feel like they have no choice but to trade him. There's a number. So $60M over 8 years (so $7.5M a year). Hell yes I do that. If I were an Avs fan I would be good and fed up with management/ownership at this point. This number is no surprise. ######, this is really gonna happen, isn't it? He's probably going to be traded, but I don't think it will be until after July 1 and in any case there will be plenty of bidders. If Colorado wants a top-pairing defenseman who's ready for that role right now, it's either Bogo, Risto or the Sabres don't get him. I honestly don't think it'll happen, but something with Phaneuf and salary retention could work in theory. I think Toronto will get plenty of offers with better centerpieces than Phaneuf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 If he's worth the money, why aren't they keeping him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freester Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 If I were an Avs fan I would be good and fed up with management/ownership at this point. This number is no surprise. He's probably going to be traded, but I don't think it will be until after July 1 and in any case there will be plenty of bidders. If Colorado wants a top-pairing defenseman who's ready for that role right now, it's either Bogo, Risto or the Sabres don't get him. I think Toronto will get plenty of offers with better centerpieces than Phaneuf. Avs need a left shooting defensemen. I think Zadorov will be moved. My prediction Zadorov and Grigorenko for ROR and Pickard GMTM also rids himself of the Russians and their issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 Avs need a left shooting defensemen. I think Zadorov will be moved. My prediction Zadorov and Grigorenko for ROR and Pickard GMTM also rids himself of the Russians and their issues And? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 Avs need a left shooting defensemen. I think Zadorov will be moved. My prediction Zadorov and Grigorenko for ROR and Pickard GMTM also rids himself of the Russians and their issues The pieces on Buffalo's side are well short of what it would take to ROR in my opinion. Let alone adding Pickard (who isn't big so GMTM may not be interested). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 If he's worth the money, why aren't they keeping him? The Avs aren't a cap team. They have an internal budget and a certain Nathan MacKinnon who will need a new contract after this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 The Avs aren't a cap team. They have an internal budget and a certain Nathan MacKinnon who will need a new contract after this season. Not buying it. If he's worth it, they make room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freester Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 The pieces on Buffalo's side are well short of what it would take to ROR in my opinion. Let alone adding Pickard (who isn't big so GMTM may not be interested). 6 foot 1 195 lbs isn't small. We may have to throw in #21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 So Zadorov, Zemgus, #21 and maybe 1 more piece is that what this board is thinking for price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) Avs need a left shooting defensemen. I think Zadorov will be moved. My prediction Zadorov and Grigorenko for ROR and Pickard GMTM also rids himself of the Russians and their issues There are no issues with the russian, only "issues" dumb fans believe from stupid journalists that don't have anything better to do than make up stories. So Zadorov, Zemgus, #21 and maybe 1 more piece is that what this board is thinking for price? That is way to steep for a one year rental who can't play RW Edited June 25, 2015 by Heimdall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 While a good theory in concept, I am always weary of the "cap will always go up" thought process. From an economy perspective, it is thinking like that which causes stock market crashes and housing bubbles. Be weary. We should be weary. And wary. (best mistype ever, BTW) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 There are no issues with the russian, only "issues" dumb fans believe from stupid journalists that don't have anything better to do than make up stories. That is way to steep for a one year rental who can't play RW What would you pay for Ryan O'Reilly in a trade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freester Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 There are no issues with the russian, only "issues" dumb fans believe from stupid journalists that don't have anything better to do than make up stories. That is way to steep for a one year rental who can't play RW There have been issues with both of these players. Grigs is refusing to play in AHL and threatening KHL. He is refusing to sign a two way contract. Zadorov refused to go back to Juniors last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasmus_ Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 So Zadorov, Zemgus, #21 and maybe 1 more piece is that what this board is thinking for price? For that, **** off, Colorado. He's not worth that at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freester Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 I'm not giving up Zemgus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 So Zadorov, Zemgus, #21 and maybe 1 more piece is that what this board is thinking for price? Asking price from Colorado or what it will take? I don't think anybody is cool with Zemgus in part of the deal. Whether a deal gets done that does not include Zemgus is another story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 There have been issues with both of these players. Grigs is refusing to play in AHL and threatening KHL. He is refusing to sign a two way contract. Zadorov refused to go back to Juniors last year. Zadorov was contractually obligated to go the KHL if he was transferred out of the NHL, if I remember right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 There have been issues with both of these players. Grigs is refusing to play in AHL and threatening KHL. He is refusing to sign a two way contract. Zadorov refused to go back to Juniors last year. Zadarov would have been claimed by his KHL team, and would have to go there. It was a contract thing. Grigorenko isn't the issue, The issue is that we burned his ELC two years to fast and that he isn't waiver excempt. The KHL would be a welcome solution for a year or two if murray wants him here in the future. Asking price from Colorado or what it will take? I don't think anybody is cool with Zemgus in part of the deal. Whether a deal gets done that does not include Zemgus is another story. Zemgus is our RoR, we don't need him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 So Zadorov, Zemgus, #21 and maybe 1 more piece is that what this board is thinking for price? One piece too many, IMO. I still think Staal for eight, Sutter and Domoulin is the best comparable. I'm not giving up Zemgus I think given the demand and the Sabres lineup, we don't get Oreilly without him going the other way. You can hope for Zadorov, #21 and Larsson/Grigorenko, but I bet somebody beats that. Girgensons, #21 and Pysyk is probably what it would take, with Buffalo sure they can re-sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 So Zadorov, Zemgus, #21 and maybe 1 more piece is that what this board is thinking for price? No. People have said no to this multiple times. You're the one pushing it. It'll take more than the Zadorov, Grigs, 21 everybody likes but it won't take Zadorov and Zemgus I imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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