Eleven Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 For the second time today and for the last time in '14: I don't care if you are pro- or anti-tank (we know where I stand, it's anti): Do you think it will work, i.e., at present, do you really think the Sabs will finish at bottom? I think it's almost impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 I understand what you're saying, but this is where we have our fundamental disagreement. You think legitimate progress has been made and is being made, and I see this team as just about as bad as they were last year. Maybe not quite as terrible, but still a mid-60 point team when all is said and done. I think the team needs one more offseason of changes before they get to the point that you already think they're at. With that, I am going to enter into a self-imposed armistice for the evening :) I think this is definitely the impasse. I'm cool with calling a cease fire for now, I gotta give my posting fingers a rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 For the second time today and for the last time in '14: I don't care if you are pro- or anti-tank (we know where I stand, it's anti): Do you think it will work, i.e., at present, do you really think the Sabs will finish at bottom? I think it's almost impossible. Pro Tank myself, and no I do not expect them to finish 30th anymore. Arizona and the Canes will start fire sales after Jan and EDM will stand pat. Being a Jaded Buffalo Fan I fully expect McDavid to score the OT Series Clinching Goal against the Sabres in the 2018 ECF for Carolina and advance to the SCF for a 2006 Rematch against the Eichel Led Oilers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude_Verret Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 For the second time today and for the last time in '14: I don't care if you are pro- or anti-tank (we know where I stand, it's anti): Do you think it will work, i.e., at present, do you really think the Sabs will finish at bottom? I think it's almost impossible. With so many teams in the running I'll go with not likely, but not impossible. Playoffs are closer to impossible than the shart is. Therefore tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z-man Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 The silver lining here is that with the new lotto, if we finish say 9th from the bottom, we still have a 5% chance instead of 20% at no. 1. Yes, that doesn't guarantee number two, but it's something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Pro Tank myself, and no I do not expect them to finish 30th anymore. Arizona and the Canes will start fire sales after Jan and EDM will stand pat. Being a Jaded Buffalo Fan I fully expect McDavid to score the OT Series Clinching Goal against the Sabres in the 2018 ECF for Carolina and advance to the SCF for a 2006 Rematch against the Eichel Led Oilers. To quote Colonel Kurtz "The horror, the horror" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 I think this is definitely the impasse. I'm cool with calling a cease fire for now, I gotta give my posting fingers a rest. http://www.history.com/topics/world-war-i/christmas-truce-of-1914 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 So the anti-tank arguments went from "even if you finish in the bottom two you probably won't win the lottery" to "we're not going to finish last so why even bother being pro-tank." Those two things don't mesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 I'm calling it right here and now: the Sabres are getting McDavid. They aren't getting him because they tanked their way into dead last. They are getting him because they win the lottery. Mark this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 I'm calling it right here and now: the Sabres are getting McDavid. They aren't getting him because they tanked their way into dead last. They are getting him because they win the lottery. Mark this post. D'accord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Yeah, I've had the same thought. Maybe it's just a fantasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny DangerFace Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Why are there so many tank threads!? I'm confused, I keep trying to find conversations haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Even if we do finish last, i don't want to win teh lottery because i want eichel :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dEnnis the Menace Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 I'm still indifferent... :ph34r: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 For the second time today and for the last time in '14: I don't care if you are pro- or anti-tank (we know where I stand, it's anti): Do you think it will work, i.e., at present, do you really think the Sabs will finish at bottom? I think it's almost impossible. We may have (un)lucked ourselves out of McEichel, but it isn't only about those two...or it shouldn't be, anyway. I think we're an absolute lock for a top-5 pick and Hanifin/Strome. That's working as far as I'm concerned, especially since those guys are #1 picks in plenty of draft classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 We may have (un)lucked ourselves out of McEichel, but it isn't only about those two...or it shouldn't be, anyway. I think we're an absolute lock for a top-5 pick and Hanifin/Strome. That's working as far as I'm concerned, especially since those guys are #1 picks in plenty of draft classes. Strome has the potential to be a number 1 center and Hanifin would give GMTM The ability to trade a young D Man for a scoring forward. Either or will work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 We may have (un)lucked ourselves out of McEichel, but it isn't only about those two...or it shouldn't be, anyway. I think we're an absolute lock for a top-5 pick and Hanifin/Strome. That's working as far as I'm concerned, especially since those guys are #1 picks in plenty of draft classes. Does your tank make that beep beep beep sound when it backs up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
respk Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Strome has the potential to be a number 1 center and Hanifin would give GMTM The ability to trade a young D Man for a scoring forward. Either or will work. With such a small difference in results needed in getting McEichel vs Strome and the apparent big difference in their prospective play, I hope Murray does whatever is necessary for the Sabres to get McEichel. It may be impossible now, given that Edm and some others have tasted 30th or the near it, but I still hold out hope that the Sabres can make it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Does your tank make that beep beep beep sound when it backs up? No, I provide the sound effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude_Verret Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 I don't have time to search now, but in reference to PA's comment to TBPhd, I disntinctly remember a series of posts before the season began where many of the ardent tank supporters went on record saying that while the hope is McEichel many of us wouldn't be crying with a top five pick either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 I don't have time to search now, but in reference to PA's comment to TBPhd, I disntinctly remember a series of posts before the season began where many of the ardent tank supporters went on record saying that while the hope is McEichel many of us wouldn't be crying with a top five pick either. You remember it because it happened. But of course, it doesn't fit the narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Crusader1969 Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Here's the problem: This is no longer a team in tear-down mode. If this was the year where things get blown up, then being on board with the tank makes sense. The idea being "what's the worst that could happen". But we're past the phase where the team being bad is something that makes sense. The ebb and flow of success and failure is on the upswing. They cannot recreate last year without forcing it to happen. There's no going back. Pulling for this team to tank again is counter to progress. You might get that shiny prize player, but at what cost? Because I don't see a McDavid or Eichel without the Sabres paying another pound of flesh. They're going to have to go backwards and they're going to have to do it unwillingly. Plenty seem willing to take that risk. I'm not so sure it ends with sunshine and parades. you are absolutely watching a different team than I am. I still see the same crap team with a hot goalie - there is no upswing in their play. They are the worst offensive team in the league and one of the worst defensive teams in the league (even over the last 14 games). Their PP sucks and the Penalty Killing isnt much better. Yes, we are past the tear down stage, now we sit at the bottom of the crater for a year, two or maybe even 3. The upswing is a mirage - dont be fooled. Your pulling for a team to win on the back of a hot goaltender and will be counter productive to the long term future of this team. Soon - when Enroth plays back to his career avg the Sabres will shoot back down the crater. Lets hope its not too late to secure a top 3 or 4 pick when it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 you are absolutely watching a different team than I am. I still see the same crap team with a hot goalie - there is no upswing in their play. They are the worst offensive team in the league and one of the worst defensive teams in the league (even over the last 14 games). Their PP sucks and the Penalty Killing isnt much better. Yes, we are past the tear down stage, now we sit at the bottom of the crater for a year, two or maybe even 3. The upswing is a mirage - dont be fooled. Your pulling for a team to win on the back of a hot goaltender and will be counter productive to the long term future of this team. Soon - when Enroth plays back to his career avg the Sabres will shoot back down the crater. Lets hope its not too late to secure a top 3 or 4 pick when it happens. If we have a GM worth anything, no, this winning does not go against all the hard work that goes into tanking to make your future better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 you are absolutely watching a different team than I am. I still see the same crap team with a hot goalie - there is no upswing in their play. They are the worst offensive team in the league and one of the worst defensive teams in the league (even over the last 14 games). Their PP sucks and the Penalty Killing isnt much better. Yes, we are past the tear down stage, now we sit at the bottom of the crater for a year, two or maybe even 3. The upswing is a mirage - dont be fooled. Your pulling for a team to win on the back of a hot goaltender and will be counter productive to the long term future of this team. Soon - when Enroth plays back to his career avg the Sabres will shoot back down the crater. Lets hope its not too late to secure a top 3 or 4 pick when it happens. As a team, they are much more competitive within the game. They are IN every game of late. There is a second line. Ennis-Zemgus-Moulson There are two defensive Pairs: Gorges-Myers Risto-Zads I'm much less worried about goal-tending. Enroth might not be the final dominant answer - but he might just be a Marty Biron. I don't think you need to worry much about finding bottom 6 forwards they can always be found. What is needed is a top forward line and a bottom D pair. That's some progress in my mind even if the team isn't more competitive in the league standings yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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