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Reruns of Draft Year ran during the awards. The Sprong feature highlighted games against Halifax. The best player in the video was Meier.  I wonder what it would cost?


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Reruns of Draft Year ran during the awards. The Sprong feature highlighted games against Halifax. The best player in the video was Meier.  I wonder what it would cost?

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Depends on how far Meier slides.  He could go 7th, he could go 14th.  If it is closer to 14th you might be able to do 21 + 31 and move to grab him.  

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If Meier is there after 10 picks, I think Buffalo can get him. 

 

A  physical left-handed sniper to pair with righties Jack and Samson. Sounds like a match to me. 

At some point in the not too distant future we are going to have the most dynamic line in the league. :wub:

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Last call on the rakish 2015 draft competition.
Today I will go over rules, start to put together a sample team for
you, then look at last years competition and announce
a winner.

The rules are simple.  Put together a draft board that
the Sabres pick from.  I find that you need about 50-100
picks, more or less depending if your picks are mainstream.
As an example, the Hockey News' 82nd ranked player got
chosen after 181, so they needed 82 to fill all the Sabres'
picks.  I needed roughly 30 last year.

Remember, you are not guaranteed 2,21,31,51, etc.
Murray could trade, say, 21 and 31, for 12, and the
judges don't want to hear that Barzel would have been
on your board had you known you would be picking at 12.
Goalies are a good pick, I don't take them.

The judges will eliminate you from the competition
if you flagrantly try to game the World Juniors leg of
the competition.  Last year, due to his choosing a
Czech in the second round, the judges were considering
penalizing Tim Murray, but as it turned out, injury
kept Karabacek out of the World Juniors, so the governing
body decided the issue was moot, thus the case dismissed.

How to put together a team, it's easy.  Start with who
you want the Sabres to pick second.

McDavid
Eichel

Then add who you want if they trade up to 3.

Hanifan
Marner
Strome
Provarov
Connor

Then if you want a Russian theme:

Guryanov
Svechnikov

At this point, if the Sabres pick at 21, I expect one of these
guys to be available.  So if Connor is available, your team might
be Eichel, Connor, etc...  Remember to list some overagers, the
NHL vastly underrates them, and they have a good shot of playing
the World Juniors.

Last years competition had few entries.  For instance McKenzie
removes his old rankings from the internet.  This year I saved his
ranking, but last year I don't have.  Pronman sits behind a paywall,
and I don't care that much.  I did find his 2015 ranking on facebook,
so both McKenzie and Pronman will be in this year's competition.

Last year's four competitors and their WJC point totals.

Tim Murray:
#2 Sam Reinhart (USA) 7 5 6
#31 Brendan Lemieux                           
#44 Eric Cornel                            
#49 Vaclav Karabacek                           
#61 Jonas Johansson                           
#74 Brycen Martin                            
#121 Maxwell Willman                            
#151 Chris Brown                           
#181 Victor Olofsson (SWE) 7 0 1

Button:
#2 Sam Reinhart (USA) 7 5 6
#31 Vlad Kamenev (Russia) 7 1 3
#44 Braydon Point (Canada) 7 2 2
#49 Anton Karlsson (Swe) 7 0 2
#61 Ondrej Kase (Czech) 5 1 1
#74 Brycen Martin
#121 Spencer Watson
#151 Vladislav Gavrikov (Russia) 7 0 0
#181 Emil Johansson

The Hockey News:
#2 Bennett (injured for WJC)
#31 Barbashev (Russia) 7 3 3
#44 McKeown
#49 Dougherty
#61 Brycen Martin                          
#74 Dyson Mayo                          
#121 Adam Ollas Mattsson                
#151 Axel Holmstrom (SWE) 7 1 6                     
#181 Jacob Middleton

rakish:
#2 Reinhart(USA) 7 5 6
#31 Barbashev(Russia) 7 3 3
#44 Holmstrom (SWE) 7 1 6
#49 Glover
#61 Engvall
#74 Point (Canada) 7 2 2
#121 Mayo
#151 Bristedt (SWE) 7 0 0
#181 Kontos

For the WJC leg of this competition, Button finished with
9 goals and 14 assists in 40 games played. rakish finished
with 11 goals and 17 assists in 35 games played.

In the one-year-later 50 best draft picks leg of the
competition.  The Hockey News had Bennett(4), Holmstrom(22),
Martin(32), Barbashev(42), Dougherty(45).  rakish, who
made the one-year-later 50 best draft picks list (so here
you should roll your eyes), had Holmstrom(22), Point(35),
Engvall(41), Barbashev(42), Reinhart(48).

The winner?  It's close, we'll go with The Hockey News.


 

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That list is very style/ceiling based for the prospects rather than finding players that they are likely to compare to.

 

I hope that McDavid is better than Crosby and Eichel is better than Getz, though.

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If we are stuck with our #21 pick.

 

1. Guryanov

2. Kylington

 

Both might be wildcards but i think our prospect pool is deep enough to take a risk.    Guryanov can turn into our RW sniper.

Kylington dropped from top 10 to bottom of first round this year.   He is worth taking a risk, unless we don't like speedy puck moving D.

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I didn't say that thousands of them get a shot. Rarely do all 30 kids drafted in the 5th round get a (legit) shot at the NHL and there will never be a day when all 30 kids drafted in the 7th get a legit shot. But the pool of players that go undrafted that MAY be NHLers is orders of magnitude larger than the number of 5th, 6th, or 7th rounders. Though a significantly lower percentage of those kids get a shot there are even more significantly more of them out there available to get that shot.

 

And, thank you Captain Obvious, for stating that the undrafted guys that have success turned it on after their draft year. That same can be said for those 7th rounders that make it. Had the 7th rounder that makes it looked like he was a sure fire 3rd liner he'd have been picked in the 2nd, not the 7th. Just like the undrafted guy would have gotten picked had he looked better at 18.

 

Each round out you go, it becomes more of a crap shoot, obviously. The fact that worldwide there are literally thousands of draft eligible '97's that have played at reasonably competitive levels right now that will be available at pick 121 and exactly 90 of them will go in those next 3 rounds is why more of those kids that aren't picked (in all likelihood) in those 90 slots will become NHLers than those 90 that are picked.

 

If there are two more magnitudes of bodies that go undrafted relative to those that go late, if those picks hit at 10% what a 5-7th rounder would then there'll be 10 times as many UDFA's / overage draftees making the show as there are 5-7th rounders.

I don't know if any of you have done the math but over half of the undrafted games are accounted for by college free agents like DeKeyser, Krug, Sustr et al.

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My pointless "draft board"

 

1. McDavid

2. Eichel

3. Barzal

4. Hanifin

5. Strome

6. Marner

7. Provorov

8. Zacha

9. Meier

10. Werenski

 

Crouse and Rantenen come next. I think Barzal has star/leader potential. I would take him if I were Arizona.

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My pointless "draft board"

 

1. McDavid

2. Eichel

3. Barzal

4. Hanifin

5. Strome

6. Marner

7. Provorov

8. Zacha

9. Meier

10. Werenski

 

Crouse and Rantenen come next. I think Barzal has star/leader potential. I would take him if I were Arizona.

 

That's a possibility, but don't most scouts have Strome/Hanifin going at #3? Arizona can do what they want. Scouts aren't always right. It'll be interesting to see what goes down. W/ the Coyotes missing out on Mcdavid there's strong chance they trade out of #3 for additional picks/prospects. 

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Meier is a Marion Hossa type.

I've read mixed reports on his defence, but that's my comparable. Definitely worth trading up for.

 

That's a possibility, but don't most scouts have Strome/Hanifin goi.ng at #3? Arizona can do what they want. Scouts aren't always right. It'll be interesting to see what goes down. W/ the Coyotes missing out on Mcdavid there's strong chance they trade out of #3 for additional picks/prospects.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the Yotes trade down because they are one of the teams that don't have Strome and Hanifan in the mix at three. Multiple reports of very little consensus in the 3-10 range. Edited by dudacek
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My pointless "draft board"

 

1. McDavid

2. Eichel

3. Barzal

4. Hanifin

5. Strome

6. Marner

7. Provorov

8. Zacha

9. Meier

10. Werenski

 

Crouse and Rantenen come next. I think Barzal has star/leader potential. I would take him if I were Arizona.

Goin off the board, I like it.

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I agree Barzal will be better than Strome.

Ya, I'm at the point where I hope Arizona either trades the pick or passes on Strome so the leafs can take the hometown kid.  Maybe he was playing hurt in the OHL finals but there are some serious issues with his skating.  He looked slower than Reinhart in his draft year and did not seem to have nearly the intelligence and anticipation Sam has.

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Ya, I'm at the point where I hope Arizona either trades the pick or passes on Strome so the leafs can take the hometown kid.  Maybe he was playing hurt in the OHL finals but there are some serious issues with his skating.  He looked slower than Reinhart in his draft year and did not seem to have nearly the intelligence and anticipation Sam has.

And for all those knocking Sam's strength and speed, Strome is slower and skinnier.

Sam Reinhart would go number three in this draft.

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