That Aud Smell Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 The Prust situation is a result of the league not punishing Kreider for reckless play. I see the causal link as well, but punishing bad outcomes from that sort of borderline-reckless play is a very, very tricky proposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cereal Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 @drosennhl Daniel Carcillo has been suspended 10 games. So, if the Rags beat the Habs in 7, he could come back for Game 7 of the Finals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 So, if the Rags beat the Habs in 7, he could come back for Game 7 of the Finals? In other words, see ya next year Daniel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 I don't agree at all. This was a dirty, unnecessary head shot delivered well after Stepan got rid of the puck -- much like Chris Neil's hit on Chris Drury way back when. I'd like to see these hits punished out of existence. Edit: just saw 26CB's post. I'd suspend Prust for 10 games. I agree. My suspension would be more towards 5 games, but still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 The Prust situation is a result of the league not punishing Kreider for reckless play. I still believe that he was reckless and not intentional (as Therrien stated before he found out Price was hurt). Do we think there should be supplemental discipline for a reckless play that injures? I don't have an opinion either way as of the moment; I can see arguments on both sides. Here's a thought.....given the litigious slant in the current NHL, do you think Clint Malarchuk would have a case against Uwe Krupp for performing a penalized act against the St. Louis forward which then caused the player's skate to slash Malarchuk's throat? Are there waivers in NHL contracts? Wasn't there a civil case in one of the McSorley/Brasheer/Cooke incidents? I'm just saying.....everyone is out for "justice"....what would stop a teammate from suing a teammate if his "reckless" act led to a serious and life-threatening injury? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted May 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Here's a thought.....given the litigious slant in the current NHL, do you think Clint Malarchuk would have a case against Uwe Krupp for performing a penalized act against the St. Louis forward which then caused the player's skate to slash Malarchuk's throat? Are there waivers in NHL contracts? Wasn't there a civil case in one of the McSorley/Brasheer/Cooke incidents? I'm just saying.....everyone is out for "justice"....what would stop a teammate from suing a teammate if his "reckless" act led to a serious and life-threatening injury? The civil case was/is in the Bertuzzi incident. Not sure how that ended, or even if it ended. I see the causal link as well, but punishing bad outcomes from that sort of borderline-reckless play is a very, very tricky proposition. Yep. Another thought: They could go back to the strict rule about staying out of the crease, and at least there would be no grey area. I don't know if Montreal would feel sufficiently avenged by just a minor penalty on the play, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 The Prust situation is a result of the league not punishing Kreider for reckless play. I still believe that he was reckless and not intentional (as Therrien stated before he found out Price was hurt). Do we think there should be supplemental discipline for a reckless play that injures? I don't have an opinion either way as of the moment; I can see arguments on both sides. I'm generally a proponent of punishing the act, not the result. It does get dicey trying to define "reckless" though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 The civil case was/is in the Bertuzzi incident. Not sure how that ended, or even if it ended. Yep. Another thought: They could go back to the strict rule about staying out of the crease, and at least there would be no grey area. I don't know if Montreal would feel sufficiently avenged by just a minor penalty on the play, though. I have no idea why the crease violation rule was ever eliminated. No one but the goalie should be in that space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 I have no idea why the crease violation rule was ever eliminated. No one but the goalie should be in that space. Increase scoring while keeping roster spots available for unskilled plugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Increase scoring while keeping roster spots available for unskilled plugs. Like Vanek..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Like Vanek..... I was thinking more along the lines of Kassian ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Two games for Prust: http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=60&id=620385&lang=en Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyldnwoody44 Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 So rags injure price, and it seems gloomy..... Then the rags lose game 3 and a pretty great center due to a borderline hit...... If there was any revenge motive then Montreal came out on top. Losing Stepan hurts the rags more than price for the habs.... As long as the rookie keeps up his performance, average /above average can win games at that position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 I have no idea why the crease violation rule was ever eliminated. No one but the goalie should be in that space. Too many "good goals" were being wiped out, like Brett Hull's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Too many "good goals" were being wiped out, like Brett Hull's. His goal wasn't wiped out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted May 24, 2014 Report Share Posted May 24, 2014 His goal wasn't wiped out. I am aware! I was being snarky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted May 24, 2014 Report Share Posted May 24, 2014 I am aware! I was being snarky. Me too. I really wish they would have waited just 2 more games before changing the rule back, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted May 24, 2014 Report Share Posted May 24, 2014 Vanek might be the best forward they have yet they're too stubborn to let him play. No way. He does a few things really well...at times. But his negatives are pretty high, lazy at times, not a leader, not good along the boards and defensive liability. He isn't the type of player that makes other players around him better. I'd take Pacoretti or even Eller over him on this team. He was the heart and soul of a soul-less Sabres team for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted May 24, 2014 Report Share Posted May 24, 2014 Me too. I really wish they would have waited just 2 more games before changing the rule back, though. I was being snarky when I said I was being snarky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted May 24, 2014 Report Share Posted May 24, 2014 So rags injure price, and it seems gloomy..... Then the rags lose game 3 and a pretty great center due to a borderline hit...... If there was any revenge motive then Montreal came out on top. Losing Stepan hurts the rags more than price for the habs.... As long as the rookie keeps up his performance, average /above average can win games at that position. Well, the "as long as" part of your post is an enormous contingency. Still, it's an interesting question. Certainly a huge loss for each team. No way. He does a few things really well...at times. But his negatives are pretty high, lazy at times, not a leader, not good along the boards and defensive liability. He isn't the type of player that makes other players around him better. I'd take Pacoretti or even Eller over him on this team. He was the heart and soul of a soul-less Sabres team for years. This might be a bit unfair to Vanek but even so in a sense is perfect in a tragic-poetic kinda way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted May 24, 2014 Report Share Posted May 24, 2014 Prust, Carcillo and Stepan. The Rangers are falling apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted May 24, 2014 Report Share Posted May 24, 2014 Here's a thought.....given the litigious slant in the current NHL, do you think Clint Malarchuk would have a case against Uwe Krupp for performing a penalized act against the St. Louis forward which then caused the player's skate to slash Malarchuk's throat? Are there waivers in NHL contracts? Wasn't there a civil case in one of the McSorley/Brasheer/Cooke incidents? I'm just saying.....everyone is out for "justice"....what would stop a teammate from suing a teammate if his "reckless" act led to a serious and life-threatening injury? the exclusive remedy structure of workers comp laws would be the principal obstacle to such a suit. i think that was a work-around that moore had -- there are exemptions to that doctrine for intentional/criminal acts. plus, he may've been suing under a canadian system of laws (i think he was) -- their system may permit more employment-based personal injury actions against employers/co-employees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted May 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2014 So rags injure price, and it seems gloomy..... Then the rags lose game 3 and a pretty great center due to a borderline hit...... If there was any revenge motive then Montreal came out on top. Losing Stepan hurts the rags more than price for the habs.... As long as the rookie keeps up his performance, average /above average can win games at that position. No way. Prust, Carcillo and Stepan. The Rangers are falling apart. Prust plays for Montreal now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted May 24, 2014 Report Share Posted May 24, 2014 In other words, see ya next year Daniel. I think he's done as a Ranger. A player like that needs to play on the edge. He can't coming of a 10 game to start the year. Refs aren't going to give him any margin. He'll be worse than playing Scott or Kaleta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted May 24, 2014 Report Share Posted May 24, 2014 Well, the "as long as" part of your post is an enormous contingency. Still, it's an interesting question. Certainly a huge loss for each team. This might be a bit unfair to Vanek but even so in a sense is perfect in a tragic-poetic kinda way. Maybe I put much blame on him for that era but what will we remember of the years 2008-2012 or here a bouts? Roy, Vanek, Stafford and a few other faceless players... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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