JJFIVEOH Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Some posters are really sensationalizing this whole thing. One, they're taking one story at its word that it was 6AM. Regardless, second, nowhere does it say anything about any bender or falling down-can't talk drunk. Staying up late and having a few drinks is different than getting blackout drunk. Especially when you consider 6AM Sochi time is 9PM our time, even though they've been there for a couple of weeks. Were they wrong? Sure. Are some of you blowing this way out of proportion? Hell yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 I don't care what Vanek did or didn't do. I really don't give a #### Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Some posters are really sensationalizing this whole thing. One, they're taking one story at its word that it was 6AM. Regardless, second, nowhere does it say anything about any bender or falling down-can't talk drunk. Staying up late and having a few drinks is different than getting blackout drunk. Especially when you consider 6AM Sochi time is 9PM our time, even though they've been there for a couple of weeks. Were they wrong? Sure. Are some of you blowing this way out of proportion? Hell yes.  http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F %2Fsportnet.at%2Fhome%2Folympia2014%2F1564783%2FParty-statt-Eishockey_Einige-waren-so-betrunken-dass-sie-kaum    "Some players were at 2.30 clock already so drunk that they could hardly talk anymore," reported the Croatian Hockey Portal khl.hr referring to a source in Sochi.   I think it has no effect once the game starts.  Well, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I don't see how this could possibly be the case. Any human being's body is going to perform better with 2 good nights of rest than it will with one night's rest and one night's mega-binge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robviously Posted February 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Let me ask this question: If Vanek were the captain of the Sabres, and the Sabres won game 6 of the SCF on Sunday afternoon to force game 7, which would be played on Tuesday at noon, would you be happy if Vanek and 7 teammates went out boozing on Sunday night and everyone got falling-down drunk and didn't go to bed until 7:30 AM or so (i.e. 28 hours before game 7)? It's worth pointing out that in this scenario, Thomas Vanek would have captained the Sabres closer to a Stanley Cup than they have ever been in their entire history. Â As a big Vanek fan, I hate this story because it's not what you want from a mature leader. OTOH, pro athletes party pretty hard and it just comes with the territory. (Weren't the 2004 Red Sox drinking during games when they broke the curse?) I'm not convinced this actually affected the outcome or even slowed the Austrians down. Sometimes taking things too seriously can hurt you just as much as not taking them seriously enough. I doubt the Austrians hit the sweet spot here but I'm not opposed to them partying after a win either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 I'm with Freeman on this one. Bad move by Vanek and his teammates. Â But I don't think it does anything to his trade value, at all. I don't care what Vanek did or didn't do. I really don't give a #### Â I don't think it affects his rental trade value either. But as I mentioned previously, it reinforces my satisfaction that the Sabres didn't give him a $60MM contract. And I also think it will reduce the number of teams that are willing to break the bank for him in FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Right with Thurman. I've heard the stories about the drinking though before SB 25 and IMO there should've been an investigation and if it was found out, then Kelly and whoever else were implicatedvshould've been barred from the HOF. Â There seems to have been a more indepth investigation to this Austrian team fiasco than our SB Bills. I guess that's the kind of journalism we're used to at The Buffalo Snooze. Holy overreaction batman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 http://translate.goo...=UTF-8&u=http:/ %2Fsportnet.at%2Fhome%2Folympia2014%2F1564783%2FParty-statt-Eishockey_Einige-waren-so-betrunken-dass-sie-kaum   I stand corrected. I still don't see it being an issue two nights later. From the perspective of representing your country, I think they did wrong. I don't think it had an impact on their performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biodork Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 I stand corrected. I still don't see it being an issue two nights later. From the perspective of representing your country, I think they did wrong. I don't think it had an impact on their performance. Â But if they were out and awake until 6:30am partying, it wasn't two nights; it was one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) Well, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I don't see how this could possibly be the case. Any human being's body is going to perform better with 2 good nights of rest than it will with one night's rest and one night's mega-binge. Until I see some science, that is just your opinion, as well. Â If your hydration level and energy stores are where they should be at the time of the game, I don't think it matters a bit what you did to yourself two days earlier. Â Speaking from personal experiance, I've done everything right (from a clean living perspective) and just couldn't find the energy on the ice before. Conversely, I've pissed on my own television and not known it, then played the best game of my life two days later. Edited February 20, 2014 by SwampD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 You mean, other than Kelly himself laughing (nervously) about it during interviews in later years? Â Thurman lost his helmet against Dallas. No, Redskins game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 But if they were out and awake until 6:30am partying, it wasn't two nights; it was one. They slept twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 No, Redskins game yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 It's worth pointing out that in this scenario, Thomas Vanek would have captained the Sabres closer to a Stanley Cup than they have ever been in their entire history. Â As a big Vanek fan, I hate this story because it's not what you want from a mature leader. OTOH, pro athletes party pretty hard and it just comes with the territory. (Weren't the 2004 Red Sox drinking during games when they broke the curse?) I'm not convinced this actually affected the outcome or even slowed the Austrians down. Sometimes taking things too seriously can hurt you just as much as not taking them seriously enough. I doubt the Austrians hit the sweet spot here but I'm not opposed to them partying after a win either. Â That Red Sox thing is a great example. That 2004 was praised for all of the crazy clubhouse stuff. Then you look at their huge collapse a few years back in Francona's last season and they did the same exact things. All of that stuff was suddenly portrayed by the media as the entire cause for the collapse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvelo Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Holy overreaction batman? Â It's been festering for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny DangerFace Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Â They slept twice. Â Ahhhh I agree with jjfiveoh! Ummm let me see how to fix this. Â I bet miller could play drunk better than enroth could because enroths little boy body couldn't handle the alcohol as well..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Them being drunk had nothing to do with them losing. Them not having as much talent had everything to do with them losing. :blink: I think it's pretty reasonable to conclude that taking the game seriously and resting up would've left them in much better shape to make it a competitive game. agreed. the distinction here with the austrians, specifically vanek, is that, unlike the babe, mantle, or the 90s bills, these guys were apparently engaging in behavior that was out of the norm for them, and then they laid an egg against an inferior opponent. Â Do you not think an athlete performs better when he is well rested than when he is coming off of a 6 AM too-drunk-to-talk-or-walk binge? sounds like a decent theory ... Â I think it has no effect once the game starts. :blink: Â They slept twice. Unless they found a wrinkle in time, they had 1 night and a little more than 24 hours to get right. And it's clear that they didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Holy overreaction batman? Â I'd bet real money (not my SS bux) that this got out because Twitspace/FacedIn/GooBook and not due to hard-nosed journalism. "Check it out, I'm partying with the Austria Hockey team!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 So no one here has ever had a hangover that lasts more than one day? Because I know I have. Â What an athlete does to their body one day can affect it for days. This isn't the 70s anymore. These guys are in peak condition and on the strictest and most job benefiting diets. Getting schwasted on a Sunday night will definitely affect you on a Tuesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 So no one here has ever had a hangover that lasts more than one day? Because I know I have. Â What an athlete does to their body one day can affect it for days. This isn't the 70s anymore. These guys are in peak condition and on the strictest and most job benefiting diets. Getting schwasted on a Sunday night will definitely affect you on a Tuesday. Maybe you're just a lightweight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 So no one here has ever had a hangover that lasts more than one day? Because I know I have. What an athlete does to their body one day can affect it for days. This isn't the 70s anymore. These guys are in peak condition and on the strictest and most job benefiting diets. Getting schwasted on a Sunday night will definitely affect you on a Tuesday.  you must've missed me upthread with the japanese expression "second day sickness."  Maybe you're just a lightweight. high-five, bruh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 So no one here has ever had a hangover that lasts more than one day? Because I know I have. Â Â Not when I was that age, but now a days.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Â Â Not when I was that age, but now a days.. Â Thomas Vanek ain't no kid anymore either. Â Â Maybe you're just a lightweight. Â :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 If you aren't a cynic, you probably don't want to know what goes on with these guys. Â One of my best Uncle Vito stories ever is when I was informed from a firsthand party that an All-Star pitcher was curled up in a ball in his hotel with a bottle of rum, 4 hours from his start, because a girl he was "dating" had called him in the process of "dating" another HOF athlete. Sound effects and all.... Â He went out and got shelled for 7 runs in the first few innings..... Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude_Verret Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 When I travel to Buffalo for my yearly bender on Bills home opener weekend I'm not feeling like myself again until the following weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubkev Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 So no one here has ever had a hangover that lasts more than one day? Because I know I have. Â What an athlete does to their body one day can affect it for days. This isn't the 70s anymore. These guys are in peak condition and on the strictest and most job benefiting diets. Getting schwasted on a Sunday night will definitely affect you on a Tuesday. Â I once partied for St Patty's, got in a fight, got hit by a car(none of which I'm proud of) and still scored four goals the next night. The Austrian team are lightweights! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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