thewookie1 Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Hockey News article about some teams that might be looking for D http://www.thehockey...or-defense.html Miller (50%) & Stafford 7.5 mil about in caphit to St. Louis for Halak, Oshie, and Berglund 11 mil in caphit Later if we want to we can deal Vanek somewhere and get a 1st rounder, a LW, and some prospects and/or a couple of the extra D-men like Ruhwedel and McBain to Colorado and Edmonton for 2nd rounders or something around there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 Miller (50%) & Stafford 7.5 mil about in caphit to St. Louis for Halak, Oshie, and Berglund 11 mil in caphit Later if we want to we can deal Vanek somewhere and get a 1st rounder, a LW, and some prospects and/or a couple of the extra D-men like Ruhwedel and McBain to Colorado and Edmonton for 2nd rounders or something around there. Why would St. Louis do this? MAYBE one of Berglund/Oshie but we're not getting both. Also, McBain had to be paired with a 2nd rounder to acquire a player worth a second rounder. He nets maybe a 4th rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 Chris Nichols @Nichols_NHLPool 59s Cal Clutterbuck agrees to terms on four-year deal w/ #Isles. $11 million total; $2.75 million cap hit. Was dealt from #mnwild last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 Chris Nichols @Nichols_NHLPool 59s Cal Clutterbuck agrees to terms on four-year deal w/ #Isles. $11 million total; $2.75 million cap hit. Was dealt from #mnwild last week. Pretty good deal. Some nutjobs were projecting $16M (Petey) or a more reasonable $13M (Sylvester). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 What if we just trade Miller(50%) and 2 2nd rounders to St. Louis for Oshie & Halak + a 1st rounder Saves St. Louis about 4mil on their cap. Trade Stafford for a 2nd rounder and call it a day with him. Sign Grabovski to a 2/3 year 4.5mil contract. Hodgson gets 3.75mil Give Vanek & Ott extensions FORWARDS Thomas Vanek ($7.143m) / Cody Hodgson ($3.750m) / T.J. Oshie ($4.175m) Tyler Ennis ($2.813m) / Mikhail Grabovski ($4.500m) / Marcus Foligno ($0.900m) Steve Ott ($2.950m) / Mikhail Grigorenko ($1.775m) / Ville Leino ($4.500m) Kevin Porter ($0.538m) / Cody McCormick ($1.200m) / Patrick Kaleta ($1.250m) John Scott ($0.750m) / DEFENSEMEN Tyler Myers ($5.500m) / Henrik Tallinder ($3.375m) Christian Ehrhoff ($4.000m) / Alexander Sulzer ($0.725m) Mike Weber ($1.667m) / Mark Pysyk ($0.870m) Jamie McBain ($1.800m) / Chad Ruhwedel ($0.975m) GOALTENDERS Jhonas Enroth ($1.250m) Jaroslav Halak ($3.750m) RETAINED SALARY TRANSACTIONS (6.096% of upper limit) Jason Pominville ($0.795m—0.2%) Ryan Miller ($3.125m—50.0%) ------ CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter) (these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion) SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,982,857; BONUSES: $850,000 CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,167,143 Plus then our 4 centers with that lineup only have 2 different 1st names. Though I may rather have Morrow than Grabovski..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaFontaineToMogilny Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 What if we just trade Miller(50%) and 2 2nd rounders to St. Louis for Oshie & Halak + a 1st rounder Saves St. Louis about 4mil on their cap. Trade Stafford for a 2nd rounder and call it a day with him. Sign Grabovski to a 2/3 year 4.5mil contract. Hodgson gets 3.75mil Give Vanek & Ott extensions FORWARDS Thomas Vanek ($7.143m) / Cody Hodgson ($3.750m) / T.J. Oshie ($4.175m) Tyler Ennis ($2.813m) / Mikhail Grabovski ($4.500m) / Marcus Foligno ($0.900m) Steve Ott ($2.950m) / Mikhail Grigorenko ($1.775m) / Ville Leino ($4.500m) Kevin Porter ($0.538m) / Cody McCormick ($1.200m) / Patrick Kaleta ($1.250m) John Scott ($0.750m) / DEFENSEMEN Tyler Myers ($5.500m) / Henrik Tallinder ($3.375m) Christian Ehrhoff ($4.000m) / Alexander Sulzer ($0.725m) Mike Weber ($1.667m) / Mark Pysyk ($0.870m) Jamie McBain ($1.800m) / Chad Ruhwedel ($0.975m) GOALTENDERS Jhonas Enroth ($1.250m) Jaroslav Halak ($3.750m) RETAINED SALARY TRANSACTIONS (6.096% of upper limit) Jason Pominville ($0.795m—0.2%) Ryan Miller ($3.125m—50.0%) ------ CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter) (these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion) SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,982,857; BONUSES: $850,000 CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,167,143 Plus then our 4 centers with that lineup only have 2 different 1st names. Though I may rather have Morrow than Grabovski..... I would be thrilled to start the year with that first line, much better than I am expecting right now, but the second line? Ugh! I am sure I am in a vast minority but I would prefer to keep Stafford on the second line rather than Foligno. Other than that, it looks like a lineup that will continue to be pushed around by the bull centers in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 I would be thrilled to start the year with that first line, much better than I am expecting right now, but the second line? Ugh! I am sure I am in a vast minority but I would prefer to keep Stafford on the second line rather than Foligno. Other than that, it looks like a lineup that will continue to be pushed around by the bull centers in the league. A few changes, Armia is 2nd line RW, no Grabovski but rather Morrow. In this case I may be actively shopping Ennis for a bigger LW. FORWARDS Thomas Vanek ($7.143m) / Cody Hodgson ($3.750m) / T.J. Oshie ($4.175m) Tyler Ennis ($2.813m) / Steve Ott ($2.950m) / Joel Armia ($1.244m) Brenden Morrow ($4.000m) / Mikhail Grigorenko ($1.775m) / Ville Leino ($4.500m) Marcus Foligno ($0.900m) / Kevin Porter ($0.538m) / Patrick Kaleta ($1.250m) John Scott ($0.750m) DEFENSEMEN Tyler Myers ($5.500m) / Henrik Tallinder ($3.375m) Christian Ehrhoff ($4.000m) / Alexander Sulzer ($0.725m) Mike Weber ($1.667m) / Mark Pysyk ($0.870m) Chad Ruhwedel ($0.975m) / Jamie McBain ($1.800m) GOALTENDERS Jhonas Enroth ($1.250m) Jaroslav Halak ($3.750m) OTHER Buried: Cody McCormick ($0.275m) RETAINED SALARY TRANSACTIONS (6.096% of upper limit) Jason Pominville ($0.795m—0.2%) Ryan Miller ($3.125m—50.0%) ------ CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter) (these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion) SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,802,023; BONUSES: $1,200,000 CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,697,977 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Guys, if you're using any sort of "normal" lineup, Grigorenko has no business on the 3rd line. For him, it's second line center or wing, or bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Guys, if you're using any sort of "normal" lineup, Grigorenko has no business on the 3rd line. For him, it's second line center or wing, or bust. I certainly would not put on the 2nd line right off the bat, I'd start him on the 3rd line and get him to earn to the 2nd line C job. He certainly didn't prove much last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 I certainly would not put on the 2nd line right off the bat, I'd start him on the 3rd line and get him to earn to the 2nd line C job. He certainly didn't prove much last year. I don't think you understand the traditional role of a 3rd line center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 I don't think you understand the traditional role of a 3rd line center. Yeah, this team is not going to have 3 scoring lines. I miss 2007. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Yeah, this team is not going to have 3 scoring lines. I miss 2007. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Nice, GCOE. I too miss 2005-2007, far more fun hockey to watch, winning record or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 @RenLavoieRDS Blues trade David Perron to Oilers. Details to follow. #RDS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 David Pagnotta @TheFourthPeriod 45s Magnus Paajarvi and a 2014 2nd going to St. Louis for Perron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Really like that deal for Edmonton. Their top-6 absolutely needed a quality two-way possession player and it's not like they'll miss Paajarvi's potential given their plethora of young stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Daddy Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 With these STL trades, did DR miss out on a landing spot for Miller or Vanek? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 With these STL trades, did DR miss out on a landing spot for Miller or Vanek? I doubt that considering St Louis is now saving 3.8mil with Perron gone (minus what Paajarvi signs for (hes a RFA)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 With these STL trades, did DR miss out on a landing spot for Miller or Vanek? Nah. If there was a landing spot there, it's still there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 With these STL trades, did DR miss out on a landing spot for Miller or Vanek? My guess is they wanted to move out salary for a Pietrangelo mega deal. So I'd say no, at least not yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Daddy Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Thanks for the analyses kids! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Maybe Darcy can get Paajarvi from STL now to add to the Swedish contingent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheckingLine Posted July 11, 2013 Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 Proposed Trade: ST. Louis: Gets: Miller + negotiation for extension prior to deal. Gives: 2014 1st + Halak Benefit: Franchise goalie w/ potential to get them the couple extra Ws in the playoffs the have lacked. Edmonton: Gets: Halak + Ennis or Stafford + Pysyk or McNabb + 2014 1st STL + (2) 2nds Buf Gives: Yakupov Benefits: Goalie tandem upgrade + equivalent of (3) 1sts + (2) 2nds. Included are potential top 4 D- man, former 20 goal scorer, and (3) of the top 75 players from 2014 draft. Buffalo: Gets: Nail Yakupov Gives: Miller + Ennis or Stafford + Pysyk or McNabb + (2) 2014 2nds. Benefits: World Class top 6 forward + ammo to resign Vanek + credibility for next year's free agent class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted July 11, 2013 Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 Well these 4 last pages of fantasy between sabres - oilers - blues just turned to ######. Oilers and blues seem to have made their own deal, and thank god. We shouldn't sell Vanek or Miller for this kind of ######. Perron for Paarjavi + 2nd 2014. I think Blues got robbed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted July 11, 2013 Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 Well these 4 last pages of fantasy between sabres - oilers - blues just turned to ######. Oilers and blues seem to have made their own deal, and thank god. We shouldn't sell Vanek or Miller for this kind of ######. Perron for Paarjavi + 2nd 2014. I think Blues got robbed. The Oilers top prospect and a 2nd pick for a second line winger? That's a good deal. Vanek should be worth that and a little more. Proposed Trade: ST. Louis: Gets: Miller + negotiation for extension prior to deal. Gives: 2014 1st + Halak Benefit: Franchise goalie w/ potential to get them the couple extra Ws in the playoffs the have lacked. Edmonton: Gets: Halak + Ennis or Stafford + Pysyk or McNabb + 2014 1st STL + (2) 2nds Buf Gives: Yakupov Benefits: Goalie tandem upgrade + equivalent of (3) 1sts + (2) 2nds. Included are potential top 4 D- man, former 20 goal scorer, and (3) of the top 75 players from 2014 draft. Buffalo: Gets: Nail Yakupov Gives: Miller + Ennis or Stafford + Pysyk or McNabb + (2) 2014 2nds. Benefits: World Class top 6 forward + ammo to resign Vanek + credibility for next year's free agent class. Teams can't negotiate to players that are not their's prior to trades. The NHL doesn't allow it. Essentially, you're trading Miller, Ennis (or Stafford+Pysyk or McNabb) and two 2nds for Yakupov. Meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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