Lanny Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 I know better than to question your hockey / CBA knowledge, but is that even possible? Not really questioning you, but I don't know ... my knowledge of all this stuff is very limited. If so, if I were Nashville, I would give that a try. Maybe something like that is in the works. I posted a tweet by Dreger that said that Nashville tried to work out a trade after they received the offer sheet. That tweet seemed to imply that they had limited time to work out a trade and that time has since passed. Nashville would get the picks, and then trade the picks back to Philly for players. via twitter it happened previously with Shayne Corson as well as Gratton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 It is possible. It's happened before. see: Chris Gratton Different CBA though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Gratton got Tampa Bay four first round picks from Philly. The picks were traded back for Mikhail Renberg and Karl Dykhuis. Gratton stayed in Philly for one year and then got traded back to Tampa fooooooooor.... Renberg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Different CBA though Wouldn't make a difference. They're separate legal exchanges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR HOLLIDAY Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Must be nice to see your team captain sign an offer sheet with another team. Nothing says, "I love playing here" more than that. Nice leadership. GO SABRES!!! Would you turn down that type of money if someone offered it to you? Basically securing the future of your family for several generations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Must be nice to see your team captain sign an offer sheet with another team. Nothing says, "I love playing here" more than that. Nice leadership. GO SABRES!!! IMO after Suter left it wasn't the same team anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 IMO after Suter left it wasn't the same team anymore. They will lose Weber, Suter, Koystytsin and Radulov from their playoff push. But at least they have Goose and Carrie Underwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 They will lose Weber, Suter, Koystytsin and Radulov from their playoff push. But at least they have Goose and Carrie Underwood I think Carrie is the only reason Goose signed there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpandean Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Wouldn't make a difference. They're separate legal exchanges. Yeah, the Preds' GM walks in with two sheets of paper: one that he will sign to officially turn down the option to match, giving them the Flyers' four first-round picks as compensation, and another that is a trade of those four first-round picks for the Flyers' players that they agree to trade. Both get signed and the two GMs fax the sheets to the NHL. Technically, the one to turn down matching would have to be sent first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 I think Carrie is the only reason Goose signed there. You mean Clay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chileanseabass Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 You mean Clay? If the Goose was into Clay he would've come to Carolina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 But what's to stop Nashville--- or any other team--- from offer sheeting ... Giroux ... the year after? :w00t: Any thoughts to this: Nashville tells Flyers they won't match the offer sheet and let Weber go, if they get some Flyers players instead of in exchange for the draft picks. It is possible. It's happened before. see: Chris Gratton Wouldn't make a difference. They're separate legal exchanges. Yeah, the Preds' GM walks in with two sheets of paper: one that he will sign to officially turn down the option to match, giving them the Flyers' four first-round picks as compensation, and another that is a trade of those four first-round picks for the Flyers' players that they agree to trade. Both get signed and the two GMs fax the sheets to the NHL. Technically, the one to turn down matching would have to be sent first. well done, and thanks. i was scrunching up my eyes, though, at the bolded piece above -- as tweaked, i think that's 100% correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Here is a very interesting take from the Preds "insider chat," which is going on right now via the Tennessean newspaper website: "...Holmgren (Flyers GM) and Poile have done many a deals together. They're practically on speed dial. There's another theory that this was Holmgren his old friend Poile a favor." The offer sheet essentially forces Shea into a long-term deal with the Predators... which Shea might not have wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Here is a very interesting take from the Preds "insider chat," which is going on right now via the Tennessean newspaper website: "...Holmgren (Flyers GM) and Poile have done many a deals together. They're practically on speed dial. There's another theory that this was Holmgren his old friend Poile a favor." The offer sheet essentially forces Shea into a long-term deal with the Predators... which Shea might not have wanted. This is exactly what I thought with the Cap number so low, and the cost likely going down after the new CBA is negotiated. Shea was going to cost them at least $7.5M next season, so this isn't much higher than that, and by the time he's 35, and potentially declining, $7.8M will be cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gohansrage Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Here is a very interesting take from the Preds "insider chat," which is going on right now via the Tennessean newspaper website: "...Holmgren (Flyers GM) and Poile have done many a deals together. They're practically on speed dial. There's another theory that this was Holmgren his old friend Poile a favor." The offer sheet essentially forces Shea into a long-term deal with the Predators... which Shea might not have wanted. If true, isn't this a huge CBA violation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 This is exactly what I thought with the Cap number so low, and the cost likely going down after the new CBA is negotiated. Shea was going to cost them at least $7.5M next season, so this isn't much higher than that, and by the time he's 35, and potentially declining, $7.8M will be cheap. It is not clear how the Preds would get to the cap floor without signing Weber. ...and from the Flyers perspective, the offer sheet keeps Weber away from places like New York and Pittsburgh (at least in the short-term). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Yes, Myers may turn out to be a smooth skating Pronger, but Shea Weber's worst case scenario is that he's Shea Weber. Guy is elite, and is much better than Myers at this point. I just think it's a little crazy to prefer unrealized potential over a proven commodity like him. If he was a tier below talent wise or older then sure, I could see the argument. Weber is 5 years older than Myers. The issue is not would you trade Myers for Weber, because that is a definite yes, the problem is your adding a ton more crap to Myers to get in the ballpark and I have no desire to gut our offensive talent to get an elite defensmen. After seeing the contract I think that the new CBA should limit contracts to 9 years max. The last 3 years of that deal are only there to lower the cap hit and nothing else. Nashville has some thinking to do and if they could more than picks out of Philly it would be good for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Weber is 5 years older than Myers. The issue is not would you trade Myers for Weber, because that is a definite yes, the problem is your adding a ton more crap to Myers to get in the ballpark and I have no desire to gut our offensive talent to get an elite defensmen. After seeing the contract I think that the new CBA should limit contracts to 9 years max. The last 3 years of that deal are only there to lower the cap hit and nothing else. Nashville has some thinking to do and if they could more than picks out of Philly it would be good for them. They should limit contract length as well as limit signing bonuses. Maybe two times the salary max. Nashville looks kinda screwed right now. Rinne is shiting his pants. No way he signs knowing his defenseman are gone. I bet they feel a bit like the Sabres did back in the day. Weber a few weeks ago was talking with the Flyers, touring their facilities and such. Nashville knew he didn't want to play for them. Preds GM just didn't get a trade done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 They should limit contract length as well as limit signing bonuses. Maybe two times the salary max. Nashville looks kinda screwed right now. Rinne is shiting his pants. No way he signs knowing his defenseman are gone. I bet they feel a bit like the Sabres did back in the day. Weber a few weeks ago was talking with the Flyers, touring their facilities and such. Nashville knew he didn't want to play for them. Preds GM just didn't get a trade done If I were Darcy I would be talking to them about what type of guys we could send them to get them to the floor and pick up a pick or two. Say we sign Doan....that gets you near the cap. Could we send Stafford, Lieno and Sekera there for a few #1's.....then take those picks, add our #1's the next 2 years and send McNabb over for Nash? I mean...it doesn't have to be for Nash....and don't hold me to the specifics.....but you can dump salary, and make a play on a superstar to take a run at this the next few years. Nashville needs NHL bodies and we need upside assets to move for a Nash/Ryan/Stastny along with cap space. Nashville still has a week to work out a "Weber" trade.....it just will be the picks moving for players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 If I were Darcy I would be talking to them about what type of guys we could send them to get them to the floor and pick up a pick or two. Say we sign Doan....that gets you near the cap. Could we send Stafford, Lieno and Sekera there for a few #1's.....then take those picks, add our #1's the next 2 years and send McNabb over for Nash? I mean...it doesn't have to be for Nash....and don't hold me to the specifics.....but you can dump salary, and make a play on a superstar to take a run at this the next few years. Nashville needs NHL bodies and we need upside assets to move for a Nash/Ryan/Stastny along with cap space. Nashville still has a week to work out a "Weber" trade.....it just will be the picks moving for players. All salary dumps will come after the new CBA is signed and after Thomas is moved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 I thought this was about Mike Weber for about 15 seconds. I'd let Mike Weber walk but the loss would really be painful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 If I were Darcy I would be talking to them about what type of guys we could send them to get them to the floor and pick up a pick or two. Say we sign Doan....that gets you near the cap. Could we send Stafford, Lieno and Sekera there for a few #1's.....then take those picks, add our #1's the next 2 years and send McNabb over for Nash? I mean...it doesn't have to be for Nash....and don't hold me to the specifics.....but you can dump salary, and make a play on a superstar to take a run at this the next few years. Nashville needs NHL bodies and we need upside assets to move for a Nash/Ryan/Stastny along with cap space. Nashville still has a week to work out a "Weber" trade.....it just will be the picks moving for players. Preds would only have Josi, Ellis, Klein, and Hal Gill left on defense if they let Weber go for the four 1st round picks. They lost Francis Boullion (and of course Suter) already this summer. They'd be woefully inexperienced on the back-end, with only Gill and Klein as true veterans. They would certainly have to trade to get a couple of new d-men, at least one of whom would need to be an established veteran. Think we could get a first round pick or more back for a guy like Leo or Sekera? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Preds would only have Josi, Ellis, Klein, and Hal Gill left on defense if they let Weber go for the four 1st round picks. They lost Francis Boullion (and of course Suter) already this summer. They'd be woefully inexperienced on the back-end, with only Gill and Klein as true veterans. They would certainly have to trade to get a couple of new d-men, at least one of whom would need to be an established veteran. Think we could get a first round pick or more back for a guy like Leo or Sekera? Trade them our weber, the fans would appreciate not having the get new names on their #6 jerseys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Trade them our weber, the fans would appreciate not having the get new names on their #6 jerseys... Good thinking! ...I'm pissed because I have a Suter Preds jersey that will now have to go in my closet of "no longer with the team" jerseys. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Trade them our weber, the fans would appreciate not having the get new names on their #6 jerseys... ...Fans own Weber jerseys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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