darksabre Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 It's no secret that I want him off the team at all costs. I despise Derek Roy, and I don't believe that it is unreasonable to take a loss on return for him. Unfortunately I don't believe Darcy sees the same. Scuttlebutt is that he has been trying to trade him but no one will bite. So, what do we think Derek Roy's value is? What are his positives and negatives? And what is the minimum return you'd take for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 I'd pay a team to take him. He blows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyldnwoody44 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Let's be honest, the guy isn't a terrible hockey player, he's just lazy as hell sometimes and its frustrating. I think his value would actually be quite high right now even though many of us aren't happy with him. Who knows, maybe a change of scenery would do good for him, maybe another team can get him enrolled in AA and then the skys the limit! A decent productive center at a deadline where its thin, should bring back a late 1st possibly even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 if journeyman Dominic Moore is worth a 2nd... Derek Roy a 65pt a year forward with a year left (not a rental) is worth a 1st... hes imho better than carter an carter keeps getting 1st rounders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Yeah, he actually isn't terrible, I guess, and I would be excited for what we get back. I haven't forgotten that he was the only player I was happy with the first 35 games last year. He just has a hate-able attitude, and face. Good riddance, hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWell Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 i would take a first and a third for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 If Darcy can't move him its because he overvalues his 'boys'. Get what you can for him and look at the cap relief as the return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robviously Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Yeah, he actually isn't terrible, I guess, and I would be excited for what we get back. I haven't forgotten that he was the only player I was happy with the first 35 games last year. He just has a hate-able attitude, and face. Good riddance, hopefully. He's listed as a No.1 Center in TSN's trade deadline primer -- the only No.1 center they list as available. http://www.tsn.ca/tradecentre/feature/?id=56793 Even with the down year (which can be attributed at least partially to his coming back from a serious injury), we should be asking a lot for him. There aren't a lot of guys who put up points like he does (historically). That said, it's probably way past time that he and the Sabres parted ways. Both he and the team would probably benefit from a change. I wouldn't trade him just to trade him but I'd be working hard to find a good deal for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 It's no secret that I want him off the team at all costs. I despise Derek Roy, and I don't believe that it is unreasonable to take a loss on return for him. Unfortunately I don't believe Darcy sees the same. Scuttlebutt is that he has been trying to trade him but no one will bite. So, what do we think Derek Roy's value is? What are his positives and negatives? And what is the minimum return you'd take for him? He has good production at a great price. Maybe teams are wondering why the Sabres are willing to give that up. It makes one wonder if there is fear of a serious issue with his shoulder or if he is assumed to be a cancer around the league. There are enough former teammates out there that can spread that word very easily. 60-70 points for $4 mil a year should go quickly if available. If there is a feeling around the league that keeps Roy a Sabre. I would love to know what it was exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5th line wingnutt Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 He has good production at a great price. Maybe teams are wondering why the Sabres are willing to give that up. It makes one wonder if there is fear of a serious issue with his shoulder or if he is assumed to be a cancer around the league. There are enough former teammates out there that can spread that word very easily. 60-70 points for $4 mil a year should go quickly if available. If there is a feeling around the league that keeps Roy a Sabre. I would love to know what it was exactly. I agree. Why do y'all hate him? It is not his fault he is a second line center being asked to play the role of a first line center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpandean Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 He has good production at a great price. Maybe teams are wondering why the Sabres are willing to give that up. It makes one wonder if there is fear of a serious issue with his shoulder or if he is assumed to be a cancer around the league. There are enough former teammates out there that can spread that word very easily. You have to think that LA was wondering why two teams were willing to give up on Carter in less than a year, but they still paid heavily for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 I agree. Why do y'all hate him? It is not his fault he is a second line center being asked to play the role of a first line center. Those of us who hate him do because he is an underachieving player on a team that has massively failed their expectations, and he is everything that we have too much of already: small, soft core player that shrinks in the spotlight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 He's listed as a No.1 Center in TSN's trade deadline primer -- the only No.1 center they list as available. http://www.tsn.ca/tr...ature/?id=56793 Even with the down year (which can be attributed at least partially to his coming back from a serious injury), we should be asking a lot for him. There aren't a lot of guys who put up points like he does (historically). That said, it's probably way past time that he and the Sabres parted ways. Both he and the team would probably benefit from a change. I wouldn't trade him just to trade him but I'd be working hard to find a good deal for him. Agree. Even if it means waiting until the summer. Roy should bring back a proven NHL player, not a draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Scuttlebutt is that he has been trying to trade him but no one will bite. Hamilton has spouted this repeatedly on WGR, and I don't buy it for a second. Not only would there be a line of buyers, but the return will be very good. The only reason a trade would take so long to complete, is if Regier refuses to pull the trigger in fear that he may not get the better end of the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Hamilton has spouted this repeatedly on WGR, and I don't buy it for a second. Not only would there be a line of buyers, but the return will be very good. The only reason a trade would take so long to complete, is if Regier refuses to pull the trigger in fear that he may not get the better end of the deal. When was Hamilton saying this (was it recently, or months ago)? There's not a hockey reporter whom I trust more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 When was Hamilton saying this (was it recently, or months ago)? There's not a hockey reporter whom I trust more. Several times this season including sometime in the last month or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 When was Hamilton saying this (was it recently, or months ago)? There's not a hockey reporter whom I trust more. Hamilton has been saying this for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Several times this season including sometime in the last month or so. Well, since I trust Hamilton, and since I agree with you that there should be interested teams, I have to wonder what the hell DR is expecting in return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 I don't hate Roy, and I really haven't even had a problem with him until this season. Yes he can be lazy, yes he can take dumb penalties, yes he has negative chemistry with Vanek....but show me a $4 million player who is perfect. Please, I beg anyone. At that price you either get a guy who does all the little things right but is devoid of top end talent, or you get a very talented player with some shortcomings. If Roy is getting 65-70 points, I overlook a lot of his shortcomings. The problem this year, of course, is that he's not producing so all of his shortcomings are magnified 10x. I have no idea if he's actually a locker room cancer. I personally don't buy the fact that the Sabres went on their run last year without him because he wasn't there. In my opinion you give that team a healthy Roy and we beat Philly. It would take a lot to convince me that Roy getting hurt somehow made Myers play the way he is capable of playing, made Enroth play absolutely lights out down the stretch while Miller was injured, etc. My asking price for Roy, as I've stated a lot, is a team's top NHL-ready center prospect and a 2nd round pick (unless that prospect is borderline elite, in which case I wouldn't expect that kind of guy in return for Roy). Seeing as Carter got Jack Johnson and a 1st, I think it's possible the right team would give up a top prospect and a 1st for Roy, but I wouldn't bank on it nor require it to move him. Although if the prospect I got in return was of lesser quality than desired, then I would insist on a 1st as well. Some names from contenders/playoff teams I think could use Roy: Pirri, Kruger, McNeill (Chicago); Jarnkrok, Sheahan (Detroit); Latta (Nashville); Josefson (New Jersey); Wingels (San Jose); Bjugstad (Florida). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Well, since I trust Hamilton, and since I agree with you that there should be interested teams, I have to wonder what the hell DR is expecting in return. As the commercial used to go..."Enquiring minds want to know!". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robviously Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Agree. Even if it means waiting until the summer. Roy should bring back a proven NHL player, not a draft pick. I don't think we'd get fair value for Roy with draft picks. But I'd be open to getting a high-end prospect for him. Florida's farm system is stacked and any one of Bjugstad, Howden, or Huberdeau would get it done for me. (I'd push for Drew Shore as well as we could use another center prospect and they have plenty.) I'd also love to land Mikael Granlund from the Wild, a future star center from Finland who could play with our future sniper from Finland (Armia). If I'm trading Roy, I think looking for top prospects is my preference. I'm not sure how tied other teams are to their prospects but we could land someone who could help us next season if we go that route. It's clearly a seller's market and we should be taking advantage of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 I don't think we'd get fair value for Roy with draft picks. But I'd be open to getting a high-end prospect for him. Florida's farm system is stacked and any one of Bjugstad, Howden, or Huberdeau would get it done for me. (I'd push for Drew Shore as well as we could use another center prospect and they have plenty.) I'd also love to land Mikael Granlund from the Wild, a future star center from Finland who could play with our future sniper from Finland (Armia). If I'm trading Roy, I think looking for top prospects is my preference. I'm not sure how tied other teams are to their prospects but we could land someone who could help us next season if we go that route. It's clearly a seller's market and we should be taking advantage of that. Put those two together with Leino and we'd have the 'Finnish Line.' I'm here all week folks. Try the veal. GO SABRES!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Lindy would never allow his 'son' to be traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 As with most of this team he is very inconsistent in his play. Talented but gives the puck away too many times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 if journeyman Dominic Moore is worth a 2nd... Derek Roy a 65pt a year forward with a year left (not a rental) is worth a 1st... hes imho better than carter an carter keeps getting 1st rounders. I could see getting a 1st for Roy, but the bolded part is nonsense. You have to think that LA was wondering why two teams were willing to give up on Carter in less than a year, but they still paid heavily for him. Good call. Someone will be willing to take Roy. Agree. Even if it means waiting until the summer. Roy should bring back a proven NHL player, not a draft pick. But the bidding frenzy is now, not over the summer. He will fetch a lesser return over the summer. Hamilton has spouted this repeatedly on WGR, and I don't buy it for a second. Not only would there be a line of buyers, but the return will be very good. The only reason a trade would take so long to complete, is if Regier refuses to pull the trigger in fear that he may not get the better end of the deal. I agree with this, although I don't think DR is hung up on getting the better end as much as he is hung up on getting what he receives to be enough value to justify trading him. When was Hamilton saying this (was it recently, or months ago)? There's not a hockey reporter whom I trust more. Local or national? If local, I don't disagree, but not if national. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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