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18 hours ago, SHAAAUGHT!!! said:

Thanks for sharing this.  It was nice to see some understanding and compassion in this thread instead of pitchforks and holier-than-thou perspectives. 
 

If he wasnt on company time, and maybe even if we was, Adam Mair doesn’t and shouldn’t be fired.  He should get some help and likely therapy because I’m assuming he’s as upset at Adam Mair as everyone else is.  
 

Pointing out he was hammered with three kids in the car isn't exactly "pitchforks and holier-than-thou." It's completely reasonable.

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10 hours ago, Sabres73 said:

Pointing out he was hammered with three kids in the car isn't exactly "pitchforks and holier-than-thou." It's completely reasonable.

Yes it’s reasonable because it happened.  What isn’t reasonable is assuming he should lose his job and ability to care for himself and his kids, yeah?

also, and not to you Sabres73, if you laughed at my original response you are only exposing yourself for the type of person you are.  Real recognizes real. Basic ***** need not apply.  Not sorry at all.

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33 minutes ago, SHAAAUGHT!!! said:

Yes it’s reasonable because it happened.  What isn’t reasonable is assuming he should lose his job and ability to care for himself and his kids, yeah?

also, and not to you Sabres73, if you laughed at my original response you are only exposing yourself for the type of person you are.  Real recognizes real. Basic ***** need not apply.  Not sorry at all.

What consequences, in your opinion, should Mair face for his actions?

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7 hours ago, SHAAAUGHT!!! said:

Yes it’s reasonable because it happened.  What isn’t reasonable is assuming he should lose his job and ability to care for himself and his kids, yeah?

also, and not to you Sabres73, if you laughed at my original response you are only exposing yourself for the type of person you are.  Real recognizes real. Basic ***** need not apply.  Not sorry at all.

No, I disagree. It's not 100% he will lose his job over this, but it would be absolutely reasonable if he did for risking the lives of three children because he was drunk, as many others in the same circumstances would. The type of person I am is someone who is concerned for the safety of the children and others. The only person exposing the "type of person" they are is you.

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On 9/13/2025 at 6:10 AM, SHAAAUGHT!!! said:

If he wasnt on company time, and maybe even if we was, Adam Mair doesn’t and shouldn’t be fired.  He should get some help and likely therapy because I’m assuming he’s as upset at Adam Mair as everyone else is.  
 

Company time has nothing to do with the handling of substance abuse problems.  

One part of me gets angry and wants him fired for recklessly endangering children and possibly others.  

Another part of me knows that if he worked for a big corporation, or the government, he would have an option to call their Employee Assistance Program (EAP) and ask for help.  Depending on circumstances his employment would be protected while he was put on a recovery plan of some sort.  As a former Engineering Director for a large corporation that is what we did.  I was introduced to this plan in about 2005 and have seen it help people, and I’ve also seen people fail and move on.  It puts a strain on the organization to have to replace the employee and then possibly have to accommodate him later, but overall I thought it was a good benefit.  

I have no clue as to whether the Sabres provide this as an employee benefit.    It’s a different business altogether.  

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20 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

What consequences, in your opinion, should Mair face for his actions?

Tough question. How do you punish addiction in a way that helps the offender, his family and society? I think that around 50% of people in jail committed their offence while intoxicated, so this is a pretty big problem that society has been dealing with forever. Would firing Mair help him and his family or just purge the Sabres organization of a problem? No clue 

My friend's ex just crashed his motorcycle into a tree and got all broken up, like bad, and this was like his sixth DWI. He had no license and might kill someone next time. And he posts his injuries on FB like he is a war hero or something, total moron and its only a matter of time until he drinks and drives again. 

I don't think any punishment will deter a person who gets that intoxicated. Once you are drunk your ability to reason goes out the window, but obviously there needs to be serious consequences that hopefully will make them think before they start drinking. 

I'm sentencing Mair to a day in jail and a warning that if he does it again its ten days in jail. 

 

 

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23 hours ago, SHAAAUGHT!!! said:

Yes it’s reasonable because it happened.  What isn’t reasonable is assuming he should lose his job and ability to care for himself and his kids, yeah?

also, and not to you Sabres73, if you laughed at my original response you are only exposing yourself for the type of person you are.  Real recognizes real. Basic ***** need not apply.  Not sorry at all.

Why is it not reasonable?  These are the very real consequences people face for their actions. It can happen to anyone and has. We've seen people fired from their jobs when their name makes it into the public and people begin associating them with the company they work for. The company has every right to protect its brand from its employees bad decisions, whether they occur on company time or not.

Perhaps he should have recognized this before he made the decision to drink and drive.

 

2 hours ago, bob_sauve28 said:

Tough question. How do you punish addiction in a way that helps the offender, his family and society? I think that around 50% of people in jail committed their offence while intoxicated, so this is a pretty big problem that society has been dealing with forever. Would firing Mair help him and his family or just purge the Sabres organization of a problem? No clue 

My friend's ex just crashed his motorcycle into a tree and got all broken up, like bad, and this was like his sixth DWI. He had no license and might kill someone next time. And he posts his injuries on FB like he is a war hero or something, total moron and its only a matter of time until he drinks and drives again. 

I don't think any punishment will deter a person who gets that intoxicated. Once you are drunk your ability to reason goes out the window, but obviously there needs to be serious consequences that hopefully will make them think before they start drinking. 

I'm sentencing Mair to a day in jail and a warning that if he does it again its ten days in jail. 

 

 

I'm not following the situation that closely but are we assuming he has an addiction or has it been stated?  Just because someone blows a .2 does not mean they are an addict. 

That said, it doesn't change things. If you are someone who has a close relationship with a person who has an alcohol addiction then I would hope you've taken steps to make sure they aren't driving drunk and absolutely not with their kids in the car.

Even then, you can't prevent people from making bad decisions 100% of the time.  Bad stuff is going to happen.

In this case he's not even fired right?  He's on leave. So, are people just making all kinds of assumptions about the situation or did I miss some facts?

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