What Was the Multiple Day Presentation that Adams Layed Out For Pegula to Save His Job

[Flashsabre]

Because this can’t be it.

Other then “I will save you $$$ and take all the bullets” I can’t see how this plan convinced Terry to let another year of this 💩 to go on.

It has to be all about the money even though running a competent organization that won a few playoff rounds, filled the barn and increased merch sales would be more beneficial for Terry.

[PerreaultForever]

I couldn't decide where to put this comment and didn't feel like making a new thread so here it is. I've been watching a number of GM press conferences today talking about their day and what they did and there was one commonality in all of them. Every single one of them (especially Sweeney who stressed it as vital) said they wanted to make sure they created an environment where the young kids had to EARN their spots on the roster and not be gifted them. They all said this was essential for their culture and growth. 

Meanwhile Kevyn creates holes so players won't be "blocked". 15 years. Go figure. 

As for what he said to Pegula? "Terry I will do whatever you want. I'm your puppet". and Terry makes ALL the big and final decisions. He is the de facto GM. 

Edited yesterday at 12:47 AM by PerreaultForever

[Scottysabres]

Said it before, say it again….

The Sabres brand is damaged so severely that an overwhelming number of the leagues impact players will not consider coming here. It’s not merely a matter of how those players view the 14 years dwelling in the basement, it’s the players that have been here with their escape from Buffalo stories.

Under This Pegulas ownership, no matter his intention, the Sabres name and logo now represent the worst case scenario for players careers, their hopes, dreams, aspirations, their internal fires for compete and glory in the hockey arenas. No player will willingly come here unless is for monetary gain, the retirement run as it were, where they don’t have to worry about working hard and winning.

That encapsulates what Sabres name and logo have become.

[Mr Peabody]

I’m guessing when he came on board KA and TP developed a 5 year build through the draft plan.  I think the 91 point season was unexpected.  That said I believe after this year we’ll have a new GM as i think since TP was part of the plan, he may feel an obligation to KA. 
 

I could be nuts but it’s the only explanation I can come up with. 

[Wyldnwoody44]

I think he just jingled keys in front of him for like 35 minutes.. Then it was time for juice and a nap. 

After Terry woke up, he had a nice cold glass of Ovaltine and KA started pulling the lever on his speak and spell, that's how he acquired all this talent. 

[DarthEbriate]

1 hour ago, Scottysabres said:

Said it before, say it again….

The Sabres brand is damaged so severely that an overwhelming number of the leagues impact players will not consider coming here. It’s not merely a matter of how those players view the 14 years dwelling in the basement, it’s the players that have been here with their escape from Buffalo stories.

Under This Pegulas ownership, no matter his intention, the Sabres name and logo now represent the worst case scenario for players careers, their hopes, dreams, aspirations, their internal fires for compete and glory in the hockey arenas. No player will willingly come here unless is for monetary gain, the retirement run as it were, where they don’t have to worry about working hard and winning.

That encapsulates what Sabres name and logo have become.

And it's so easy to leave.

Don't worry. You won't be branded a quitter by the league -- how you gave up on your teammates and such. You'll be praised for your intelligence and desire to win.

JJP (and I guess JBD, too) laid the blueprint for how to simply coast on out of town. Benson is a RFA next summer.

[Taro T]

6 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

And it's so easy to leave.

Don't worry. You won't be branded a quitter by the league -- how you gave up on your teammates and such. You'll be praised for your intelligence and desire to win.

JJP (and I guess JBD, too) laid the blueprint for how to simply coast on out of town. Benson is a RFA next summer.

Benson's a carney.  You honestly think that he can't handle a little stick tap on the helmet when the HC is trying to make an example of him?  He's heard every single derogatory slur there is and it has all rolled right off.

Benson laughs at your lack of faith.

[DarthEbriate]

10 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Benson's a carney.  You honestly think that he can't handle a little stick tap on the helmet when the HC is trying to make an example of him?  He's heard every single derogatory slur there is and it has all rolled right off.

Benson laughs at your lack of faith.

I'm not worried about Benson not responding to a coach. I'm worried about Benson being a self-respecting SOB who wants to win and telling the GM of this team via agent: There is no counteroffer. We don't want to be here. Trade, please.

[PerreaultForever]

I'm not worried about Benson but the problem is there's overlap in the waves of futility so each time, the next wave wants out and next up will be Dahlin. Peterka kind of jumped the gun early on the usual pattern. 

[GoPuckYourself]

3 hours ago, Flashsabre said:

Because this can’t be it.

Other then “I will save you $$$ and take all the bullets” I can’t see how this plan convinced Terry to let another year of this 💩 to go on.

It has to be all about the money even though running a competent organization that won a few playoff rounds, filled the barn and increased merch sales would be more beneficial for Terry.

Clearly at this point.

 

I've decided to penny pinch as well.... Going on 4 years and counting of not going to any games nor buying a single purchase of Sabres merchandise. 

[Forecheck]

15 minutes ago, GoPuckYourself said:

Clearly at this point.

 

I've decided to penny pinch as well.... Going on 4 years and counting of not going to any games nor buying a single purchase of Sabres merchandise. 

I’ve gone five years now without spending a dime on this sh*tshow franchise and I haven’t had one second of regret. 

[GoPuckYourself]

12 minutes ago, Forecheck said:

I’ve gone five years now without spending a dime on this sh*tshow franchise and I haven’t had one second of regret. 

I just hope at this point to see a Stanley Cup before I'm dead... A guy can dream!

[Slack_in_MA]

 

Can’t imagine this presentation took multiple days, but maybe.

[SabresBillsFan]

3 hours ago, Scottysabres said:

Said it before, say it again….

The Sabres brand is damaged so severely that an overwhelming number of the leagues impact players will not consider coming here. It’s not merely a matter of how those players view the 14 years dwelling in the basement, it’s the players that have been here with their escape from Buffalo stories.

Under This Pegulas ownership, no matter his intention, the Sabres name and logo now represent the worst case scenario for players careers, their hopes, dreams, aspirations, their internal fires for compete and glory in the hockey arenas. No player will willingly come here unless is for monetary gain, the retirement run as it were, where they don’t have to worry about working hard and winning.

That encapsulates what Sabres name and logo have become.

This is spot on

[Huckleberry]

[JP51]

10 hours ago, Scottysabres said:

Said it before, say it again….

The Sabres brand is damaged so severely that an overwhelming number of the leagues impact players will not consider coming here. It’s not merely a matter of how those players view the 14 years dwelling in the basement, it’s the players that have been here with their escape from Buffalo stories.

Under This Pegulas ownership, no matter his intention, the Sabres name and logo now represent the worst case scenario for players careers, their hopes, dreams, aspirations, their internal fires for compete and glory in the hockey arenas. No player will willingly come here unless is for monetary gain, the retirement run as it were, where they don’t have to worry about working hard and winning.

That encapsulates what Sabres name and logo have become.

I would totally agree with you and raised your damaged to officially rebranded...  I think the Sabres brand as we knew it from way back has been damaged, burned down and the site cleaned with a new brand that has been fully rebuilt and marketed...  And it is exactly what you said... Tag line: We are the champions of dysfunction and career destruction... come here to take it easy and lose and feel free to make your late April tee times well in advance.

Its to the point that I literally am suspicious of intent for anyone that is a legitimate Vet that wants to come here... because I am like why would you do that... do you not have this burning desire to win ? Cause I want you too... younger players I get fine... they get an opportunity at getting an enhanced role etc... 

But after this, literally how long are the "Core" players going to want to stay here... when , and I suspect its this year, are they going to see the obvious that Pegula and Adams don't see that we are a failed organization with a failed model. That we have a Meddling hockey Buffoon for an owner only to be redeemed by there is literally no hope of changing any of this while the current FO is in place. And if they don't already realize it,  when they do... why would they not want out...

Alex Tuch will be a great measuring stick if he chooses out. A Regional guy, that came in with heart and soul and wanting to be part of the solution watching his old team win a cup and his friends who got their get out of Jail cards win as well... choose to stay or go... I fear there will be blood on the locker room floor and when it the dam breaks its gonna be ugly.  Think of Tuch not resigning and Thompson and Dahlin forcing an ill equipped GM to trade them for what inevitably will be far less than they are worth. Dahlin has already had meetings with the GM, I don't know what was said, but to me there we rumblings of discontent and frustration, Thompson has said he has heard the chatter and was less than glowing in his assessment of "the response"...  to the hit and the overall future... as Adams continues to blame the problems on Palm Trees... If I am a vet on the inside looking at this uninspired FA period to date I am certainly not building hope for a turn around... secured with the knowledge that we literally cannot trade for needle moving vets because the refuse to come here, and that getting someone in FA to move the needle is either impossible or we simply lack the will to do it... as we cut costs... If there is not immediate success this upcoming season, I could see this going downhill really really fast...  

 

[LGR4GM]

"Hi Terrry, my what a fantastic looking Yacht you have. Is that marble? You are so amazing, really your greatness is only restricted by the lame coverage the Sabres broadcast has. I think for next year I can save you about 5-10million against the cap so you can pay for more Yacht parties and maintain your lifestyle. Here's a bottle of red wine and can I just say your complexion looks great today." - Adams

"Why thank you, carry on." - Terry

That's it, that was the entire "presentation". There's just no f-ing way that Kevyn Adams put together any sort of comprehensive plan because if he were capable of such a thing, we would have seen it. Instead what we see is every new coach that appears, changes what Adams does. From Barf to Donny to Lindy, every time we change coaches, Adams suddenly about faces on the types of players he wants. I mean we even got a little Jarmo tossed in this time with Danforth getting signed. Adams has no ideas, it is why he seeks out all these other opinions because he isn't smart enough to come up with things on his own. It is why his trades for the most part look off. Utah has 3 2nd round picks in 2026 but Adams didn't have those in his brain when he made the trade, so we didn't get them. Adams didn't want JBD but got him because Ottawa wanted Gilbert and since it wasn't part of the "plan" Adams just let him walk away. He's completely incapable of being ruthless with other GMs and thin skinned when it comes to questions of his own incompetence and assembling anything that could be called a coherent team. Even if they make the playoffs this year (big if) it won't be because of Kevyn Adams, it will be in spite of him. Terry wants a lapdog so he can ignore the Sabres and bask in the glow of Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills. Our only real hope is that Lindy isn't so old and out of touch that he knows what types of players to get and that Jarmo and the analytics team finally overcome the forton/nightengale group. Otherwise we will continue to toss away good players for peanuts and make up excuses that all center on the fact after 6 off-seasons, Adams is still just blowing in the wind and winning is the only thing that will fix things here.

[COSabreFan]

11 hours ago, Scottysabres said:

Said it before, say it again….

The Sabres brand is damaged so severely that an overwhelming number of the leagues impact players will not consider coming here. It’s not merely a matter of how those players view the 14 years dwelling in the basement, it’s the players that have been here with their escape from Buffalo stories.

Under This Pegulas ownership, no matter his intention, the Sabres name and logo now represent the worst case scenario for players careers, their hopes, dreams, aspirations, their internal fires for compete and glory in the hockey arenas. No player will willingly come here unless is for monetary gain, the retirement run as it were, where they don’t have to worry about working hard and winning.

That encapsulates what Sabres name and logo have become.

I think the Eichel neck surgery debacle is way under represented in the damage it did to the organization reputation, and that was all on Terry.  Very few players will now trust ownership that they have the best interest of the players in mind, including basic health decisions.

 

Oh yeah, and the owner is also cheap.

[JP51]

9 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

"Hi Terrry, my what a fantastic looking Yacht you have. Is that marble? You are so amazing, really your greatness is only restricted by the lame coverage the Sabres broadcast has. I think for next year I can save you about 5-10million against the cap so you can pay for more Yacht parties and maintain your lifestyle. Here's a bottle of red wine and can I just say your complexion looks great today." - Adams

"Why thank you, carry on." - Terry

That's it, that was the entire "presentation". There's just no f-ing way that Kevyn Adams put together any sort of comprehensive plan because if he were capable of such a thing, we would have seen it. Instead what we see is every new coach that appears, changes what Adams does. From Barf to Donny to Lindy, every time we change coaches, Adams suddenly about faces on the types of players he wants. I mean we even got a little Jarmo tossed in this time with Danforth getting signed. Adams has no ideas, it is why he seeks out all these other opinions because he isn't smart enough to come up with things on his own. It is why his trades for the most part look off. Utah has 3 2nd round picks in 2026 but Adams didn't have those in his brain when he made the trade, so we didn't get them. Adams didn't want JBD but got him because Ottawa wanted Gilbert and since it wasn't part of the "plan" Adams just let him walk away. He's completely incapable of being ruthless with other GMs and thin skinned when it comes to questions of his own incompetence and assembling anything that could be called a coherent team. Even if they make the playoffs this year (big if) it won't be because of Kevyn Adams, it will be in spite of him. Terry wants a lapdog so he can ignore the Sabres and bask in the glow of Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills. Our only real hope is that Lindy isn't so old and out of touch that he knows what types of players to get and that Jarmo and the analytics team finally overcome the forton/nightengale group. Otherwise we will continue to toss away good players for peanuts and make up excuses that all center on the fact after 6 off-seasons, Adams is still just blowing in the wind and winning is the only thing that will fix things here.

I see some folks down on Lindy, others not... but I agree with you here... I hope he is part of the solution as I see him driving the types of players we target more than Adams... who I believe need to go find a job managing bath room remodeling projects.  If there is anything positive about this off season so far is that we are targeting skilled player with size and grit... which is a departure from previous focuses... II would believe that would be a Jarmo and Ruff influence. 

With respect to the playoffs, I agree.. but I would also add that simply breaking the 14 year drought isnt enough... a sneak in the 8th spot to get beaten down 4-1 in the playoffs doesnt magically fix this... (I am not saying you are saying that) but building towards a team that can contend yearly and progress in the playoffs with maybe a chance of winning it all needs to be the focus.. I do not believe it is... 

[COSabreFan]

11 hours ago, Scottysabres said:

Said it before, say it again….

The Sabres brand is damaged so severely that an overwhelming number of the leagues impact players will not consider coming here. It’s not merely a matter of how those players view the 14 years dwelling in the basement, it’s the players that have been here with their escape from Buffalo stories.

Under This Pegulas ownership, no matter his intention, the Sabres name and logo now represent the worst case scenario for players careers, their hopes, dreams, aspirations, their internal fires for compete and glory in the hockey arenas. No player will willingly come here unless is for monetary gain, the retirement run as it were, where they don’t have to worry about working hard and winning.

That encapsulates what Sabres name and logo have become.

I think the Eichel neck surgery debacle is way under represented in the damage it did to the organization reputation, and that was all on Terry.  Very few players will now trust ownership that they have the best interest of the players in mind, including basic health decisions.  Oh yeah, and the owner is also cheap.

Not only am I also curious on Kev pitch to Terry, but what was Kev pitch to Dahlin?  Im guessing this is not what Dahlin was thinking was the plan for winning this year.

[Indabuff]

12 hours ago, Wyldnwoody44 said:

I think he just jingled keys in front of him for like 35 minutes.. Then it was time for juice and a nap. 

After Terry woke up, he had a nice cold glass of Ovaltine and KA started pulling the lever on his speak and spell, that's how he acquired all this talent. 

"Four as in four wolves"

[Pimlach]

11 hours ago, DarthEbriate said:

And it's so easy to leave.

Don't worry. You won't be branded a quitter by the league -- how you gave up on your teammates and such. You'll be praised for your intelligence and desire to win.

JJP (and I guess JBD, too) laid the blueprint for how to simply coast on out of town. Benson is a RFA next summer.

SO RFAs will just say I'm out and that is it?   Do you think JBD said he wanted out?    I have not heard that or even thought of it but he should have been retained and was not so ....

[Stads]

"Terry, how many $775k two way deals do you want?"

[triumph_communes]

14 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

I couldn't decide where to put this comment and didn't feel like making a new thread so here it is. I've been watching a number of GM press conferences today talking about their day and what they did and there was one commonality in all of them. Every single one of them (especially Sweeney who stressed it as vital) said they wanted to make sure they created an environment where the young kids had to EARN their spots on the roster and not be gifted them. They all said this was essential for their culture and growth. 

Meanwhile Kevyn creates holes so players won't be "blocked". 15 years. Go figure. 

As for what he said to Pegula? "Terry I will do whatever you want. I'm your puppet". and Terry makes ALL the big and final decisions. He is the de facto GM. 

Funny; my interpretation of what happened is Ruff got Adam’s to castoff all the anointed ones and now we have an excess of players that could fit all of our holes. We have five third pairing defenseman who all show promise they can make the jump in minutes. We have a handful of forwards who all have compete, enough skill to play up or down if they need to, etc in their game. They’re all aged 25-28 as well. Look at the lineup and it’s really hard to project where things will go- and that’s by design. Competing for roster spots is Ruff’s name of the game and he got it. 
 

sure it wasn’t with big UFA splashes, but those don’t really work do they 

[DarthEbriate]

2 hours ago, Pimlach said:

SO RFAs will just say I'm out and that is it?   Do you think JBD said he wanted out?    I have not heard that or even thought of it but he should have been retained and was not so ....

My fear is that that's where we are not at with this GM/owner. They're pinching almost every penny they can and you can simply say you're not going to play that game and "I don't want to be here" and they'll let you go.

Edit: Haven't heard anything on JBD.  But, Johnson-JBD as your 7/8 is so much better than Johnson/Bryson -- it's laughable. So you give JBD the Qualifying Offer and work through it, then worry about Bryson in mid-to-late July.

Edited yesterday at 04:36 PM by DarthEbriate