Seravalli: Real hard to picture JJ Peterka in a Sabres uniform this fall

[dudacek]

Frank says things with JJ and Buffalo have gone sideways and he doesn't expect the Sabres be able to repair them.

The says teams expressed significant interest in Peterka at the deadline and the Sabres didn't bite then, but they may not have a choice now. Calls Peterka the best trade chip on the market right now and, next to Marner, the most valuable piece out there.

Trade talk starts close to the 18-minute mark.

 

Edited yesterday at 06:57 PM by dudacek

[Thorny]

Sadly and interestingly, it does feel like things are actually probably worse than we make it seem on this website. We forget that even us negative ones are wildly biased 

[Weave]

3 minutes ago, Thorny said:

Sadly and interestingly, it does feel like things are actually probably worse than we make it seem on this website. We forget that even us negative ones are wildly biased 

I forget the game, but near the end there was a report that Dahlin was screaming at JJ after a low effort led to an empty net goal.  That was when I realized JJ wants out, and now.

[That Aud Smell]

i'll assume this is substantially true.

and man does it suck.

(also: who's the prematurely grey slightly porky guy? frank? i recognize him. but i have no idea who he is.)

[dudacek]

28 minutes ago, Thorny said:

Sadly and interestingly, it does feel like things are actually probably worse than we make it seem on this website. We forget that even us negative ones are wildly biased 

Complaining about the lack of change off the ice has masked what I see as a real willful blindness around here to a number of things on the actual roster:

• The level of frustration showed by Tage at his year-ender
• The trade deadline whispers of high-level Dahlin meetings
• The number of winning hard minutes Byram played and the hole trading him is going to create, along with his switch in agents
• The whispers of Peterka being less than happy with the city prior to the deadline, and the reputation of his agent
• The struggles of multiple prize core young pieces at the same time: Luukkonen, Quinn, Cozens, Samuelsson and Power
• The body language of Josh Norris after being traded to Buffalo, coupled with the risk of his contract
• The panicked overpay they gave Jason Zucker for a likely 33 points and 63 games next year
• The panicked overpay they gave Jordan Greenway for for a likely 18 points and 58 games next year
• The determined attempts of Alex Tuch to avoid addressing questions about his future in Buffalo.

There are consequences to sticking with a failed coaching and management staff.

Status quo isn't going to provide stability, it's going to turn these cracks into holes.

We're looking at 20/21 all over again.

Edited yesterday at 06:36 PM by dudacek

[DarthEbriate]

And now we witness the compounding errors of years of futility (and not making an effort to win) cause the new core to begin to collapse in on itself. The players with team control are the ones who have to exercise their "don't want to be here" message to salvage their careers and sanity. Ownership set the stage for it, embraced it, and now feeds it in a sublime cycle.

Edited yesterday at 06:38 PM by DarthEbriate

[inkman]

JJ is a great offensive player that can’t be bothered to play defense. He’ll be a long time NHL player but it wouldn’t surprise me if he plays his way down any roster he’s a part of.  Coaches aren’t going to just accept him lazily skating in the D zone on the back check.  If they can get a more well rounded player in return for him, do it. 

[dudacek]

4 minutes ago, inkman said:

JJ is a great offensive player that can’t be bothered to play defense. He’ll be a long time NHL player but it wouldn’t surprise me if he plays his way down any roster he’s a part of.  Coaches aren’t going to just accept him lazily skating in the D zone on the back check.  If they can get a more well rounded player in return for him, do it. 

I’m kinda with this, except I don’t trust the management to turn it into the plus it could be.

(And I still have @thewookie1 whispering in my ear “Noooo, not 40 goals for the Rangers!!!!”)

[mjd1001]

On one hand, this guy is almost a 30 goal scorer already, a couple years in a row.

On the other hand, if there is significant interest, trade him and work a deal, or wait, for equal value back.

I personally thought (and mentioned on here several times over the season) that his overall game slipped. He was apparent as one of the guys who was a liability in the back to zones (next to Quinn and Cozens, I thought the worst offender of this.)  Is a bad 2-way player, or was his head and heart not into it? Not sure.  

But, if you get offered a great deal, take it. If he is given an offer sheet, take the compensation (if its a high offer sheet) or match it and then trade him for the best offer.  Either way, the team has options here.

I get the feeling Peterka wants to be a in big city/big market (just a feeling).  I could imagine quite the buzz in Chicago if they offer sheet or trade for Peterka AND sign Marner.

 

Edited yesterday at 07:07 PM by mjd1001

[LGR4GM]

30 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Complaining about the lack of change off the ice has masked what I see as a real willful blindness around here to a number of things on the actual roster:

• The level of frustration showed by Tage at his year-ender
• The trade deadline whispers of high-level Dahlin meetings
• The number of winning hard minutes Byram played and the hole trading him is going to create, along with his switch in agents
• The whispers of Peterka being less than happy with the city prior to the deadline, and the reputation of his agent
• The struggles of multiple prize core young pieces at the same time: Luukkonen, Quinn, Cozens, Samuelsson and Power
• The body language of Josh Norris after being traded to Buffalo, coupled with the risk of his contract
• The panicked overpay they gave Jason Zucker for a likely 33 points and 63 games next year
• The panicked overpay they gave Jordan Greenway for for a likely 18 points and 58 games next year
• The determined attempts of Alex Tuch to avoid addressing questions about his future in Buffalo.

There are consequences to sticking with a failed coaching and management staff.

Status quo isn't going to provide stability, it's going to turn these cracks into holes.

We're looking at 20/21 all over again.

Idk, I don't see Zucker as an overpay. 

[Archie Lee]

A team with a good head coach will get him and he will become a dynamic offensive player who is not a defensive liability. 

[Big Guava]

55 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Complaining about the lack of change off the ice has masked what I see as a real willful blindness around here to a number of things on the actual roster:

• The level of frustration showed by Tage at his year-ender
• The trade deadline whispers of high-level Dahlin meetings
• The number of winning hard minutes Byram played and the hole trading him is going to create, along with his switch in agents
• The whispers of Peterka being less than happy with the city prior to the deadline, and the reputation of his agent
• The struggles of multiple prize core young pieces at the same time: Luukkonen, Quinn, Cozens, Samuelsson and Power
• The body language of Josh Norris after being traded to Buffalo, coupled with the risk of his contract
• The panicked overpay they gave Jason Zucker for a likely 33 points and 63 games next year
• The panicked overpay they gave Jordan Greenway for for a likely 18 points and 58 games next year
• The determined attempts of Alex Tuch to avoid addressing questions about his future in Buffalo.

There are consequences to sticking with a failed coaching and management staff.

Status quo isn't going to provide stability, it's going to turn these cracks into holes.

We're looking at 20/21 all over again.

Tells me we still have an immature team that stubbornly thinks they can succeed with the work they are willing to put in rather than the work required for success. 

 

[Mustache of God]

How many Peyton Krebs can we turn 1 JJ Peterka into?

[That Aud Smell]

1 hour ago, dudacek said:

• The whispers of Peterka being less than happy with the city prior to the deadline, and the reputation of his agent

49 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

I get the feeling Peterka wants to be a in big city/big market (just a feeling).

Is it rumoured that Peterka's been looking for brighter lights, bigger city?

[JohnC]

1 hour ago, Weave said:

I forget the game, but near the end there was a report that Dahlin was screaming at JJ after a low effort led to an empty net goal.  That was when I realized JJ wants out, and now.

There was a game in which Ray was broadcasting in which he showed on a replay how far away JJP was from the player he was supposed to cover who easily scored. JJP was so lackadaisical in his coverage that I thought Ray was going to lose it when he commented about it on the replay. It was a blatantly irresponsible play. 

I like Byram a lot. But if you deal off both JJP and Byram, the return should be pretty good. Maybe enough return contributing to a large extent in reshaping this roster for the better. Is our GM up to the task of getting a good enough return? I'm not confident about that. 

As others have stated, what happens if Dahlin, Tage and Tuch say I have enough! The owner created a toxic franchise, and the understandable result will be that players no longer want to be around the revolting stench. 

[Mustache of God]

9 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:

Is it rumoured that Peterka's been looking for brighter lights, bigger city?

He'd trade his sunglasses for a loaf of bread, just to get out of Buffalo.

[Cityo'Rasmii]

I haven't purchased any sabres merchandise in a couple of years...at the beginning of this past year's season, I almost bought a JJP jersey. Sounding like I made a good choice there ✔️

[LGR4GM]

And yet no coaching or management changes. The level of incompetence is almost unfathomable. 

[Doohickie]

1 hour ago, mjd1001 said:

I could imagine quite the buzz in Chicago if they offer sheet or trade for Peterka AND sign Marner.

...and the ensuring defensive vacuum in their wakes.  😄 

41 minutes ago, Mustache of God said:

How many Peyton Krebs can we turn 1 JJ Peterka into?

I dunno.  How many do you need?

[JoeSchmoe]

He's not playing on a 1st line, or with anyone as good as Thompson on most any other team in the league. He's also not playing on a PP1. As such, he'd be an idiot to walk away from the Sabres before he's a UFA. He'd be an even bigger idiot if he sat out.

For that reason, I question this report and think it's just the usual BS behind the scenes posturing by the agent. 

Edited yesterday at 08:36 PM by JoeSchmoe

[GoPuckYourself]

Imagine you have 2 solid trade assets to trade that can change to team trajectory yet we have a GM who’s failed at his job 6 years in a row that’s the guy trading them. This team is completely ***** now and the foreseeable future imo.

[North Buffalo]

Rangers putting it out there because they want him bad... I think it is misinfo but who knows.

[Mango]

2 hours ago, Thorny said:

Sadly and interestingly, it does feel like things are actually probably worse than we make it seem on this website. We forget that even us negative ones are wildly biased 

wE wAnT gUyS wHo WaNt To Be HeRe

Wasn't this the whole point of tearing it down and trading away reql life NHL talent?

Instead of earning the trust back of guys in the locker room, we started over with guys so PegAdams could start with a clean slate. 

Let's not forget we couldn't bring in veteran help because we would be blocking guys like...checks notes...JJ Peterka.

Honestly, if I'm JJP and all I hear is I am one of THE GUYS on the market I tell my agent to get it done and get me to Edmonton, Dallas, Colorado, Florida, or Vegas.

But there's no way I sign in Buffalo unless they're offering me nearly 2x. 5 x $6M at any of those orgs is way better than 8x$8M in Buffalo. Bet on yourself.

 

[Mango]

1 hour ago, mjd1001 said:

On one hand, this guy is almost a 30 goal scorer already, a couple years in a row.

On the other hand, if there is significant interest, trade him and work a deal, or wait, for equal value back.

I personally thought (and mentioned on here several times over the season) that his overall game slipped. He was apparent as one of the guys who was a liability in the back to zones (next to Quinn and Cozens, I thought the worst offender of this.)  Is a bad 2-way player, or was his head and heart not into it? Not sure.  

But, if you get offered a great deal, take it. If he is given an offer sheet, take the compensation (if its a high offer sheet) or match it and then trade him for the best offer.  Either way, the team has options here.

I get the feeling Peterka wants to be a in big city/big market (just a feeling).  I could imagine quite the buzz in Chicago if they offer sheet or trade for Peterka AND sign Marner.

 

Here's my thing with everything you mentioned. And I want to preface it with that I totally agree with you.

But..

My hot take is that I think I might rather have a Peterka, a forward with a bad 200 foot game than a defenseman who can't play defend (cough* Power * cough). One seems way more egregious than the other.

Anyways, can't wait for Dahlin to hoist the cup in a different sweater.

[Gatorman0519]

This franchise killed itself. If half the guys want to leave and we can’t keep our own home grown talent, may as well fold the franchise.