OT: Traffic Accident Rainbow Bridge in Niagara Falls, NY

[Zamboni]

The president has been briefed on the situation.

all bridges are still closed.

International flights coming in and out of Buffalo Niagara Airport are suspended currently

[Crusader1969]

1 minute ago, LGR4GM said:

Well, when your entire business plan is fear based...

THIS!!!!   I noticed the headline below the explosion news on Fox is "HAMAS in America?  They are already here!"

2 minutes ago, Curt said:

It was an incident/accident where a couple people died and a couple others got hurt.  Basking in the warm glow of the fear, confusion and changing reports is kind of perverse.

so Fox News? 

[pastajoe]

Latest reporting is that the car came from the casino.

[Zamboni]

Eyewitness account says car was driving fast, became airborne and hit building and caught on fire. 
 

Now it’s a careless driver.

 

The feds have backed down and turned things over to state authorities.

[Zamboni]

At this point, why in the hell are the other bridges closed?

 

At this point why are the international flights suspended? 
 

At this point why is the governor coming into the area for a press conference? I mean like all politicians i know she loves the camera but still 😂

[Standing Room Smoking Cigs]

I blame the Newfs.... St. John's Bin Newf is a dead man...

[PerreaultForever]

Sounds like a pretty big fear based over reaction. 

[Warriorspikes51]

4 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Sounds like a pretty big fear based over reaction. 

 

Or....a normal thought anyone would have given the state of the world and this country 

27 minutes ago, Weave said:

CNN: Waiting for facts
MSNBC: Waiting for facts
CBS: Waiting for facts
ABC: Waiting for facts
Fox News: IT'S A TERRORIST ATTACK!!! 

LOL! None of the above wait for facts 

[Crusader1969]

4 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

Or....a normal thought anyone would have given the state of the world and this country 

LOL! None of the above wait for facts 

in this case, which network called it an act of terrorism ??  and which ones waited for facts? 

[Doohickie]

58 minutes ago, Zamboni said:

These are early preliminary reports.

Then DON'T ****ing repeat them.

46 minutes ago, Zamboni said:

Multiple federal agencies are now backtracking what they originally said and released to the press. And multiple press sources were repeating and confirming the reports just two hours ago.

 

Now the latest is a car tried turning around after going through the inspection booth and lost control as they did a U-turn and crashed into a booth or building there and caught on fire.

The back tracking is delicious… This is getting interesting lol

 

I tend to trust the eye witness.

 

[Zamboni]

From ABC news …

 

Investigators have found some sort of suitcase or briefcase on scene, sources told ABC News. They are treating it as a possible explosive device as a precaution and the bomb squad is handling the package.

Ron Rienas, GM of the Buffalo and Fort Erie Public Bridge Authority, told ABC News all four Canada-U.S. bridges over the Niagara River have been closed out of an abundance of caution while the Rainbow Bridge investigation continues.

New York Gov. Kathy Hochul said, "At my direction, the New York State Police is actively working with the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force to monitor all points of entry to New York. I am traveling to Buffalo to meet with law enforcement and emergency responders and will update New Yorkers when more information becomes available."

 

 

Side note: 

Airport is relaxing tightened security and traffic moving along better at the airport.

 

Peace Bridge is opening now

Edited November 22, 2023 by Zamboni

[Zamboni]

US News …

 

Initial indications from the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) agency were that incident was caused by a reckless driver whose actions resulted in a crash and fire, two sources familiar with the matter told Reuters.

While CBP officials were not ruling out a deliberate attack, preliminary evidence did not suggest that, they said.

Canadian broadcaster CTV News, citing unnamed national security sources, reported that government officials were operating under the assumption that the vehicle blast was terror-related.

Reuters was unable to immediately verify these reports.

Niagara Falls Memorial Medical Center said it evaluated and treated a single patient with non-life-threatening injuries related to the incident. That patient was later discharged, the hospital said.

Official details of the incident were murky.

The Niagara Gazette newspaper, citing law enforcement sources, said the car sped onto the bridge plaza, went through a fence separating the inbound lanes from the outbound lanes, and toward the inspection lanes, where it exploded.

CNN, citing unnamed sources, said the car was coming from the Canadian side toward the U.S.

[GASabresIUFAN]

1 hour ago, Porous Five Hole said:

This is wrong. More recent info has come out. Please delete.  

 

They fixed the story.

[SABRES 0311]

1 hour ago, Carmel Corn said:

It never ceases to amaze me how preliminary reports can be so ..... subject to change.

Shouldn’t surprise you. Preliminary reports don’t have every single detail that a final investigative report would have. As more information is obtained, better analysis can happen.

Given the time of year, historical international acts, and current world events involving the U.S. it should not be difficult to understand how early reporting thought it was terrorism.  

[Porous Five Hole]

1 minute ago, SABRES 0311 said:

Shouldn’t surprise you. Preliminary reports don’t have every single detail that a final investigative report would have. As more information is obtained, better analysis can happen.

Given the time of year, historical international acts, and current world events involving the U.S. it should not be difficult to understand how early reporting thought it was terrorism.  

Okay, but facts matter. WGRZ had an eyewitness account within an hour on video. The witness of the event clearly indicated the scenario was not what was initially reported by the national outlets. We should expect better than what we got from the large and national networks.  So yes, it was surprising. And we are not at a “final investigation” phase. 

[LGR4GM]

 

 

@Warriorspikes51lmao at your eye roll. 

[Sabres73]

1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

Or....a normal thought anyone would have given the state of the world and this country 

LOL! None of the above wait for facts 

Wrong - I've been watching CNN and they've stressed over and over they're waiting on the facts. And providing updates as the facts come in.

[SABRES 0311]

5 minutes ago, Porous Five Hole said:

Okay, but facts matter. WGRZ had an eyewitness account within an hour on video. The witness of the event clearly indicated the scenario was not what was initially reported by the national outlets. We should expect better than what we got from the large and national networks.  So yes, it was surprising. And we are not at a “final investigation” phase. 

Yes facts do matter. As they come out a better picture of what actually happened will emerge. Was any eyewitness account purposely ignored or suppressed? Did those news stations just have bad sources? 

Not sure what you are getting at with your last sentence. Never said we are in a final investigative stage. I said preliminary reporting does not have all the information a final investigation would have.

[MattPie]

Won't someone think of the poor Fox News reporter that spent all day polishing up the article blaming President Biden for this terrorist attack, only for it not to be used?

[MattPie]

50 minutes ago, SABRES 0311 said:

Yes facts do matter. As they come out a better picture of what actually happened will emerge. Was any eyewitness account purposely ignored or suppressed? Did those news stations just have bad sources? 

Not sure what you are getting at with your last sentence. Never said we are in a final investigative stage. I said preliminary reporting does not have all the information a final investigation would have.

Responsible adults and news outlets make sure they got it reasonably right before putting everyone on blast. You shouldn't believe preliminary reports and shouldn't repeat them, since they're BS.

[JustOneParade]

Listening to that gentleman’s account and seeing the pics the driver most likely sped toward or through the toll booths. If not, the driver was going against traffic exiting the inspection stations - and that would have been a much bigger problem. Whatever the final determination is, this incident would have been much more deadly if it happened on a summer afternoon. Lastly, if this was a terrorist event it was the worst planned and executed in the history of mankind.

[bob_sauve28]

Has anyone heard from ROR in last few hours? 

[inkman]

1 minute ago, bob_sauve28 said:

Has anyone heard from ROR in last few hours? 

6 minutes ago, JustOneParade said:

Listening to that gentleman’s account and seeing the pics the driver most likely sped toward or through the toll booths. If not, the driver was going against traffic exiting the inspection stations - and that would have been a much bigger problem. Whatever the final determination is, this incident would have been much more deadly if it happened on a summer afternoon. Lastly, if this was a terrorist event it was the worst planned and executed in the history of mankind.

Didn’t a dude light his own foot on fire tryijg to set of a shoe bomb?  I could be making that up.  

[Weave]

6 minutes ago, bob_sauve28 said:

Has anyone heard from ROR in last few hours? 

[SABRES 0311]

Just now, MattPie said:

Responsible adults and news outlets make sure they got it reasonably right before putting everyone on blast. You shouldn't believe preliminary reports and shouldn't repeat them, since they're BS.

News outlets should do a better job especially on something like this. I’m not disagreeing with that.

Saying preliminary reports are BS in general is ignorant. Preliminary reports using erroneous information is BS.

It is understandable why people echoed that perception. Its called history, intent, capability, and ability. Those outlets were the loudest and probably drowned out other more accurate reports.

You would be hard pressed to find anyone in the Intel, counterintel, or counterterrorism community who didn’t at first question if this was an accident or done on purpose.