sabresparaavida Posted July 23, 2023 Report Share Posted July 23, 2023 45 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said: Just curious, but would you have wanted him on the Sabres at that money and term? I would think long and hard about it and likely say no, but that has more to do with the Sabres situation than his value as a player. For the same reason I have not been a proponent of adding Pesce, I don’t think we can afford to add a 6M+ defenseman for more than 2 years. Doing so puts us in a space where we will not be able to afford Levi (if he becomes a legit starter, if not, the goalie we bring in to be one). And we also have Dahlin and Power for LHD that will eat up a lot of O zone time which would make Dunn less effective. I think right now Dahlin is better, but Dunn is currently better than Power, though I expect that to change within a few years. Dunn was 10th among defenseman in points, and has had great analytics for nearly his whole career. He led the Kraken in ice time and still had Corsi and Fenwicks over 54%. (Helped some by the Ozone starts). He is now the 25th highest paid defenseman, which seems quite reasonable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Collection Posted July 23, 2023 Report Share Posted July 23, 2023 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Brawndo said: They are more than $12M over the cap. Muzzin is on LTIR for $5M+. They need to move Murray and then some. And they want Karlsson. Go to cap hell Leafs! Edited July 23, 2023 by French Collection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted July 23, 2023 Report Share Posted July 23, 2023 Doesn't that put the Leafs extremely close to the 10% off season escalator? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted July 23, 2023 Report Share Posted July 23, 2023 18 minutes ago, Scottysabres said: Doesn't that put the Leafs extremely close to the 10% off season escalator? Expecting, though don't know for certain, that the league is allowing the players that ended the season on BF-LTIR to still be considered to be on BF-LTIR so they aren't being included in a calculation of the Loafs current cap hit. If they were included, they Loafs would be more than $11MM over the cap when they're only allowed to be ~$8.4MM over the cap. Though that is in direct contradiction to how the CBA is written, it does seem to be the way the league is handling injured players. As long as the NHLPA is buying off on it (and they seem to be), then expect that is how the league will continue to handle this moving forward. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted July 24, 2023 Report Share Posted July 24, 2023 4 hours ago, French Collection said: They are more than $12M over the cap. Muzzin is on LTIR for $5M+. They need to move Murray and then some. And they want Karlsson. Go to cap hell Leafs! Just imagine they would have to package Nylander + 2 capdumps, probably mutliple first rounders to San jose. Then possibly see Matthews leave next offseason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted July 24, 2023 Report Share Posted July 24, 2023 26 minutes ago, Huckleberry said: Just imagine they would have to package Nylander + 2 capdumps, probably mutliple first rounders to San jose. Then possibly see Matthews leave next offseason. I believe matthews is a little too late to save the coyotes lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted July 24, 2023 Report Share Posted July 24, 2023 10 hours ago, Buffalonill said: I believe matthews is a little too late to save the coyotes lol. Yeah Im not saying he is going to the coyotes, but might prefer any USA market over Toronto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Collection Posted July 24, 2023 Report Share Posted July 24, 2023 Travis Yost of TSN saying that the Leafs may have to buy out TJ Brodie and Matt Murray to become cap compliant. Brodie has been good, he may be a casualty due to his age and expiring contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Scottysabres Posted July 24, 2023 Report Share Posted July 24, 2023 33 minutes ago, Brawndo said: I believe this sets the Canes roster, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted July 24, 2023 Report Share Posted July 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Brawndo said: Why would somebody quote the "AAV" aka the Average Annual Value of a 1 year bonus-ineligible contract? When you divide the sum of any single number by 1 it ends up the same. Would've been more fun had he provided the "median" or even the mean or the mode. (Hint: they all have a face value of $1,670,000.) (Not directed at you @Brawndo, but Mr. Seravalli.) Especially when he uses the term "actual" before AAV. Will bet nearly any amount of money that DeAngelo doesn't ACTUALLY end up with $1,670,000 after everything is prorated to 50% of HRR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted July 25, 2023 Report Share Posted July 25, 2023 On 7/23/2023 at 12:59 PM, French Collection said: They are more than $12M over the cap. Muzzin is on LTIR for $5M+. They need to move Murray and then some. And they want Karlsson. Go to cap hell Leafs! One rumor has them talking with Montreal about taking Murray's salary off their hands for a 1st + as Montreal is willing to use their cap space to improve. Can only see them getting Karlsson if they give up Nylander. So trade away Nylander, San Jose eats salary on Karlsson, trade away Murray to Montreal, buy out Brodie, roughly in my head I think that would make them cap compliant or very close. End result wouldn't be any better though as a whole. Probably worse than they were with ROR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will Posted July 25, 2023 Report Share Posted July 25, 2023 Bergeron retirement announcement tomorrow. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted July 25, 2023 Report Share Posted July 25, 2023 50 minutes ago, will said: Bergeron retirement announcement tomorrow. Where'd you get that from? Nothing on the Bruins site, just a lot of Happy Birthday wishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted July 25, 2023 Report Share Posted July 25, 2023 4 hours ago, Taro T said: Why would somebody quote the "AAV" aka the Average Annual Value of a 1 year bonus-ineligible contract? When you divide the sum of any single number by 1 it ends up the same. Would've been more fun had he provided the "median" or even the mean or the mode. (Hint: they all have a face value of $1,670,000.) (Not directed at you @Brawndo, but Mr. Seravalli.) Especially when he uses the term "actual" before AAV. Will bet nearly any amount of money that DeAngelo doesn't ACTUALLY end up with $1,670,000 after everything is prorated to 50% of HRR. It is pretty silly, although I could see using it out of habit as short-hand for "salary cap hit". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted July 25, 2023 Report Share Posted July 25, 2023 22 minutes ago, MattPie said: It is pretty silly, although I could see using it out of habit as short-hand for "salary cap hit". Yes, but by preceding AAV with the word actual, his "short-hand" is actually 3 characters (counting blank spaces) longer than simply writing "cap hit." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted July 25, 2023 Report Share Posted July 25, 2023 6 hours ago, Taro T said: Yes, but by preceding AAV with the word actual, his "short-hand" is actually 3 characters (counting blank spaces) longer than simply writing "cap hit." He wrote actual because he was clarifying his earlier tweet where he said it would be in the $1.6M range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted July 25, 2023 Report Share Posted July 25, 2023 Bergeron announced his retirement. (Thank God.) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted July 25, 2023 Report Share Posted July 25, 2023 Played for the bruins, but Bergeron was a nice player and had class unlike most of that team. Can't believe the fans got mad at him for not deciding earlier if he would play or not, didn't get much respect from some of that fanbase. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted July 25, 2023 Report Share Posted July 25, 2023 Not many bright spots for the Bruins franchise (from my point of view) but Bergeron is certainly one of them and potentially the brightest. Always respected him and how he played the game. A great career. And as Sabres fan.. grateful he's no longer there 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted July 25, 2023 Report Share Posted July 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Huckleberry said: Played for the bruins, but Bergeron was a nice player and had class unlike most of that team. Can't believe the fans got mad at him for not deciding earlier if he would play or not, didn't get much respect from some of that fanbase. That's not true. I was just over at the Bruins site and there's pages and pages of "Merci Patrice" and you know typing out a French word is really difficult for chowder heads. There's a sadness there but mostly a lot of thank yous. Didn't read a single "mad at him for not deciding earlier" post. I know a lot of you hate the Bruins, but Patrice was a class act and an incredible team captain. Sabres could have used a captain like him. Class to the end. https://www.nhl.com/bruins/news/a-statement-from-patrice-bergeron/c-345429764 I think it really does end an era for the Bruins though. Their prospect pool is garbage aside from Lohrei (left D) and their fall will be fast and hard. 7-9 free agents after this year, Marchand old and broken down, it's likely the end. So with that alternate team slipping away I REALLY NEED the Sabres to finally get it right. One more reason here the time is right. KA needs to make the final moves and seize the moment!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashsabre Posted July 25, 2023 Report Share Posted July 25, 2023 On 7/24/2023 at 11:14 AM, French Collection said: Travis Yost of TSN saying that the Leafs may have to buy out TJ Brodie and Matt Murray to become cap compliant. Brodie has been good, he may be a casualty due to his age and expiring contract. Don’t they have 48 hours after the arb. Settlement to buyout players? Settlement came down Sunday afternoon so if they don’t buy anyone out today they lose that option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted July 25, 2023 Report Share Posted July 25, 2023 3 hours ago, PerreaultForever said: That's not true. I was just over at the Bruins site and there's pages and pages of "Merci Patrice" and you know typing out a French word is really difficult for chowder heads. There's a sadness there but mostly a lot of thank yous. Didn't read a single "mad at him for not deciding earlier" post. I know a lot of you hate the Bruins, but Patrice was a class act and an incredible team captain. Sabres could have used a captain like him. Class to the end. https://www.nhl.com/bruins/news/a-statement-from-patrice-bergeron/c-345429764 I think it really does end an era for the Bruins though. Their prospect pool is garbage aside from Lohrei (left D) and their fall will be fast and hard. 7-9 free agents after this year, Marchand old and broken down, it's likely the end. So with that alternate team slipping away I REALLY NEED the Sabres to finally get it right. One more reason here the time is right. KA needs to make the final moves and seize the moment!!!! Its true though, on a lot of forums bruins fans were getting mad at him for taking so long to decide while their center depth is iffy at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted July 25, 2023 Report Share Posted July 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Huckleberry said: Its true though, on a lot of forums bruins fans were getting mad at him for taking so long to decide while their center depth is iffy at best. Well I don't doubt it because on the internet there's a spot for everybody to get mad at something. It's not on the Bruins site I go to though. That one is all good for "the captain" and they are just currently obsessed with how much Trent Frederic will get if he goes to arbitration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted July 26, 2023 Report Share Posted July 26, 2023 5 hours ago, Flashsabre said: Don’t they have 48 hours after the arb. Settlement to buyout players? Settlement came down Sunday afternoon so if they don’t buy anyone out today they lose that option. They have 48 hours after whatever is the last potential arbitration settlement they could walk away from gets awarded (or finalized, it's possible they could come to an agreement before actually getting to arbitration with that last one. So, if Samsonov is the only Loaf heading to arbitration or there are no more Loafs heading to arbitration that the Loafs could potentially walk away from that later arbitration award, then yes, they need to have made a decision by now. But if somebody else is player elected arbitration eligible and there is a possibility of the contract award being big enough then they still have time to make a decision. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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