Jack Eichel and 2023 3rd Traded to Vegas for F Alex Tuch, C Peyton Krebs, 2022 1st Top Ten Protected and 2023 2nd

[Thorny]

Just now, dudacek said:

The Internet said the Sabres were going to have to take a salary dump to make this work. The Sabres did not take on a salary dump

The Internet said the Sabres were going to face to accept conditional picks based on Jack’s health/games played. The Sabres did not have to take on such conditions.

The Internet said the Sabres were never going to trade Eichel until his neck was fixed. The Sabres traded Jack Eichel before his neck got fixed.

The Internet said no one was giving up a top prospect for a broken Eichel. Peyton Krebs arguably is a top 10 prospect.

The Internet said the Sabres were never going to get anywhere near their ask of 4 1sts or the equivalent. The Sabres got two former 1sts who have so far justified that status, an actual 1st and a 2nd.

Interesting.

The internet is also HEAVILY divided on this with *plenty* thinking the Sabres didn't get enough, which should be mentioned in this context. Plenty of the returns being bandied about probably DID require salary dump/retention, which they neglected to do. 

[nucci]

3 minutes ago, dudacek said:

The Internet said the Sabres were going to have to take a salary dump to make this work. The Sabres did not take on a salary dump

The Internet said the Sabres were going to have to accept conditional picks based on Jack’s health/games played. The Sabres did not have to take on such conditions.

The Internet said the Sabres were never going to be able to trade Eichel until his neck was fixed. The Sabres traded Jack Eichel before his neck got fixed.

The Internet said no one was giving up a top prospect for a broken Eichel. Peyton Krebs is arguably a top 10 prospect.

The Internet said the Sabres were never going to get anywhere near their ask of 4 1sts or the equivalent. The Sabres got two former 1sts who have so far justified that status, an actual 1st and a 2nd.

Interesting.

 

[Eleven]

2 minutes ago, Thorny said:

The internet is also HEAVILY divided on this with *plenty* thinking the Sabres didn't get enough, which should be mentioned in this context. Plenty of the returns being bandied about probably DID require salary dump/retention, which they neglected to do. 

Neglected?  No.  They outright refused, as they should have.

[SDS]

Just now, Thorny said:

The internet is also HEAVILY divided on this with *plenty* thinking the Sabres didn't get enough, which should be mentioned in this context. Plenty of the returns being bandied about probably DID require salary dump/retention, which they neglected to do. 

In light of the press conference, I think the refusal of salary retention is extremely interesting. Adams approached this as keeping his long-term options open. Retaining salary only hinders you if you become a team willing to go to the cap. If you read between the lines this fits good news for future salary expenditures.

[dudacek]

Just now, Thorny said:

The internet is also HEAVILY divided on this with *plenty* thinking the Sabres didn't get enough, which should be mentioned in this context. Plenty of the returns being bandied about probably DID require salary dump/retention, which they neglected to do. 

Sure. 

The benefits of the picks and the cap space won’t become clear for a while. Still waiting for Adams to take advantage of the space.

IMO, the addition of Krebs vaults our current prospect list to among the best in the league. We have 3 1sts this year and 3 2nds next year. Let’s hope the Adams team does a better job with all that capital than Tim Murray did.

[Thorny]

Just now, SDS said:

In light of the press conference, I think the refusal of salary retention is extremely interesting. Adams approached this as keeping his long-term options open. Retaining salary only hinders you if you become a team willing to go to the cap. If you read between the lines this fits good news for future salary expenditures.

He may use the savings on something good (though we already have a ton of space), that's true. Have to judge the trade, before the results come, based on the pieces included, though. 

[Hawerchuk]

Alex Tuch got better each year when playing for Vegas. Loved watching him for the 4 seasons. Glad he was included in the deal.

[Thorny]

1 minute ago, dudacek said:

Sure. 

The benefits of the picks and the cap space won’t become clear for a while. Still waiting for Adams to take advantage of the space.

IMO, the addition of Krebs vaults our current prospect list to among the best in the league. We have 3 1sts this year and 3 2nds next year. Let’s hope the Adams team does a better job with all that capital than Tim Murray did.

Yup, we'll have to see. What I was pointing out though is that Adams didn't really "prove the internet wrong". The return doesn't have a strong consensus one way, or the other. 

[Taro T]

1 hour ago, Weave said:

Relax.  The community did not accept Jack like they accepted Briere or Lafo taine or Hasek, etc.  it is what it is.

The community accepted Eichel exactly like they did Hasek.

There was a significant component of the fan base that truly disliked Hasek for the sins of "chasing" Ted Nolan out of town and "quitting" on the team by not battling through a particular leg injury.  Though he battled through other injuries & though it was Larry Quinn that actually was the driver of the single year contract extension offer, they still didn't like him.  Blamed him for Barnaby getting traded away, too.

There is a not insignificant component of the fan base that never fully bought in on Eichel either.

The animosity towards both never made sense to this kid.  Still doesn't.  But the team has moved on & now so shall we.

[Crusader1969]

2 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Sure. 

The benefits of the picks and the cap space won’t become clear for a while. Still waiting for Adams to take advantage of the space.

IMO, the addition of Krebs vaults our current prospect list to among the best in the league. We have 3 1sts this year and 3 2nds next year. Let’s hope the Adams team does a better job with all that capital than Tim Murray did.

as long as he doesnt give away premium picks for Kane and Bogo, he should do fine.

[Thorny]

5 minutes ago, Eleven said:

Neglected?  No.  They outright refused, as they should have.

It's quite common to retain salary to up your return, though. Hopefully Adams going somewhat against the grain here turns out to actually be something for the positive side of the ledger. 

[SDS]

2 minutes ago, Thorny said:

He may use the savings on something good (though we already have a ton of space), that's true. Have to judge the trade, before the results come, based on the pieces included, though. 

The invisible piece that came with the trade is future cap space. So make sure you include that in your evaluation.

regardless of the past 11 years, the team is at where they’re at. This either makes sense for the current team is constructed or it doesn’t.

[LGR4GM]

12 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Sure. 

The benefits of the picks and the cap space won’t become clear for a while. Still waiting for Adams to take advantage of the space.

IMO, the addition of Krebs vaults our current prospect list to among the best in the league. We have 3 1sts this year and 3 2nds next year. Let’s hope the Adams team does a better job with all that capital than Tim Murray did.

Idk if I would go that far but it is better and should be among the best after the 2022 draft. 

[LabattBlue]

You know why all the current players are now happy?   There is no longer a broken toilet in the locker room.  
 

Thank you. I will be here all day for your enjoyment. 

[DarthEbriate]

I wanted to see what a healthy Eichwalker could do in Granato's non-defensive-shell system. Plus, a top-15 center in the league really solidifies the rest of this lineup. But because that's an alternate reality....

Overall I like it. Tuch is a really solid player and plays an aggressive game plus the size. He'll kick Hinostroza to the bottom 6 where he belongs. Krebs doesn't shy from contact and has vision. If we have three legit 2-centers (Cozens, Mitts, Krebs), then give me that vs. a single star that all offense must channel through. Think Peca, Barnes, Brown.

One thing this trade is not: it's not an aged/past prime/overpaid Berglund and an overpaid 4th line winger (Sobotka) and a really long-term project (Thompson). No salary retention. No cash dumps. Win, win.

If you're an opposing GM, you don't give up a Zegras/Byfield type + to get an injury-risk Eichel. Just like we went out and got ROR to complement Eichel. You build around that top-level center prospect with the established star (Matthews/Tavares). That Krebs is just below those stud-level young centers (potentially) is gravy for the Sabres. Remember, if Vegas doesn't win a Cup because they're overpriced and the goaltending fails, or if Eichel continues to battle injuries (he has every season, even his best COVID-shorted season he disappeared the last 8 games with injury) and deteriorates before age 28 and then is just a good but not elite player... that GM loses their job over this trade.

[Thorny]

3 minutes ago, SDS said:

The invisible piece that came with the trade is future cap space. So make sure you include that in your evaluation.

regardless of the past 11 years, the team is at where they’re at. This either makes sense for the current team is constructed or it doesn’t.

Right. So it's a hypothetical piece on both sides. 

As always, with all else being equal, an asset now is preferable to an asset later. 

[Crusader1969]

2 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

JJ - Krebs - Quinn is going to be insane. You have the disruptor, the distributor, and the shooter. All 3 have a 200ft game. 

Amerks turning into must watch tv.

 

 

5 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Idk if I would go that far but it is better and should be among the best after the 2022 draft. 

didnt the Athletic put Sabres #1 prior the season starting? I could be wrong

[LabattBlue]

Just now, Crusader1969 said:

Amerks turning into must watch tv.

 

 

Hopefully there are some good mentors in the locker room for the younger prospects. 🤞

[Gatorman0519]

I wonder if Eichel addresses the fans. 

[nucci]

2 minutes ago, Gatorman0519 said:

I wonder if Eichel addresses the fans. 

he did with his twitter post with Vegas baby, plus with all the negative comments here and elsewhere...doubt he says anything

Edited November 4, 2021 by nucci

[Weave]

2 minutes ago, Gatorman0519 said:

I wonder if Eichel addresses the fans. 

I bet he is very understated in his comments about the Sabres.  He’s a happy guy.  He’ll be in his happy place.

[Taro T]

10 minutes ago, SDS said:

In light of the press conference, I think the refusal of salary retention is extremely interesting. Adams approached this as keeping his long-term options open. Retaining salary only hinders you if you become a team willing to go to the cap. If you read between the lines this fits good news for future salary expenditures.

Honestly have never expected the Pegulas to be unwilling to spend if they think it'll actually help the cause.

The only time they've EVER seemed to cheap out were when O'Reilly was traded & personally believe that was personal to them (they didn't want to pay THAT guy any more than they'd already paid him & that bit us all in the bippy) & when they made significant cuts to the back office & front office when COVID hit.

Suppose they've cheaped out on GM hires, but at least 2 of those were recommended by people they trusted and this last 1 was based on their own 1st hand interactions with him.

But would be mildly surprised if a majority of that cap space gets spent on FAs.  Expect they've got a bunch of it penciled in on raises for guys that are currently here.

[Hawerchuk]

Jack can still wear #9. VGK traded Cody Glass this offseason. It would be weird wearing my #15 jersey at T Mobile Arena. LOL.

[Cityo'Rasmii]

Just now, Weave said:

I bet he is very understated in his comments about the Sabres.  He’s a happy guy.  He’ll be in his happy place.

With his hoolihoop

[LabattBlue]

I wonder if the Basil daughter likes Vegas?   Or maybe they aren’t even an item any longer?  What say you…social media creepers?

Edited November 4, 2021 by LabattBlue