LGR4GM Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 (edited) Well then I wonder if they only gave him his qualifying offer plus a little more and he doesn't want to sign it. 1 minute ago, Doohickie said: What are those categories? I just looked it up. Capfriendly had this The player is on an entry-level contract. The player has signed a one-year contract and is over 35 years old. The player has signed a one-year contract after returning from a long-term injury (has played 400 or more games, and spent 100 or more days on the Injured Reserve in the last year of their most recent contract). Edited August 16, 2018 by LGR4GM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Doohickie said: What are those categories? He's not going to be on an ELC. He's not coming off major injury & being offered a "prove it" contract. He's not ancient. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsb Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 I wonder if the Sabres are tinkering with the idea of moving him back to Center? If so are they trying to come to some agreement on how he should be paid at that position as opposed to a winger?? They now have a multitude of players who can play both spots and if he's in at Center do they move all the vets to surround Sam and Casey?? I can see JBotts wanting Sam to still prove not only on how he'll play but where and Sam's side of the story being quit moving me around and play and pay me. The key is what do JBotts and Phil really think of Sam and his play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 I wonder if they are shopping him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 21 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: I wonder if they are shopping him. There are several RFAs that haven’t signed yet: https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/rfa/available/ I wouldn’t look into him not having a deal yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted August 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 (edited) I wonder if people remember when Jack Eichel signed his second contract. Or Ristolainen. Or Hodgson. Or Myers. Or Stafford. Hint: The kids were in school for every single one. Edited August 16, 2018 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetlou Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 Maybe JBotts is waiting to see what happens with Nylander in Toronto? Nylander has finished 3rd on the Leafs the past two seasons at 61 pts each season as has an average of .73 pts per game. Reinhart has finished 3rd on the Sabres the past two seasons with 47 and 50 point seasons. Sam for his career has a .56 pts per game. I would say there two contracts should be very similar with Nylander's slightly higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 34 minutes ago, dudacek said: I wonder if people remember when Jack Eichel signed his second contract. Or Ristolainen. Or Hodgson. Or Myers. Or Stafford. Hint: The kids were in school for every single one. Yup, Risto was skating with the team in training camp without a new deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted August 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 Since everyone else is speculating, I think there likely is a 6-year deal on the table that Botterill is trying to keep as close to $5 million per as possible and Reinhart’s agent is trying to push as close to $6 million as he can. They will meet somewhere in between close to training camp. Neither side gains much by agreeing to anything now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 My guess on the status remains the same: he will sign and will play for the Sabres, but the 2 sides are fairly far apart -- and it's because JBott doesn't want to give him a long-term deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted August 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 1 minute ago, nfreeman said: My guess on the status remains the same: he will sign and will play for the Sabres, but the 2 sides are fairly far apart -- and it's because JBott doesn't want to give him a long-term deal. I agree they are fairly far apart, but it’s because JBott wants to get him on an Arvidsson deal. If he was adamant on a short-term deal, it would have been relatively easy to do and probably would be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeSabresGrr8Again Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 49 minutes ago, dudacek said: I wonder if people remember when Jack Eichel signed his second contract. Or Ristolainen. Or Hodgson. Or Myers. Or Stafford. Hint: The kids were in school for every single one. Eichel and Myers were both extensions which make it a little different than Sam's situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 33 minutes ago, dudacek said: I agree they are fairly far apart, but it’s because JBott wants to get him on an Arvidsson deal. If he was adamant on a short-term deal, it would have been relatively easy to do and probably would be done. Why? Reino might not be interested in a ST deal at all, or only at $6MM+ per year, and JBott might not be interested at that level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted August 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, nfreeman said: Why? Reino might not be interested in a ST deal at all, or only at $6MM+ per year, and JBott might not be interested at that level. Because we all read into these things what we want to read? ? Seriously, though, Sam’s camp should know there is no way he can leverage Botterill into a long-term deal if Botterill feels the same way about Sam as you do. Therefore, if Sam really wants a long-term deal, the best course of action is to sign a one-year deal and make Botterill pay through the nose 12 months from now. Whats funny about this thread is that for all the comparables and deductions we put forth, it all boils down to what you think of Sam. The long-term guys think strike now and you might get a front-line player for a top-six contract, like Bergeron or Schiefele. The short-termers say why risk it because they doubt he is anything more than a career second-line winger at best and don’t want to be tied long-term to another Ennis, Hodgson or Stafford. Edited August 16, 2018 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted August 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 37 minutes ago, MakeSabresGrr8Again said: Eichel and Myers were both extensions which make it a little different than Sam's situation. Regardless, Ennis is the only touted youngster coming off an ELC that I can remember signing early in the past decade here. Sams situation is hardly unusual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 Samson 8x6 or a 2x5 deal, pick your poison ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erickompositör72 Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 (edited) The idea that "signing him to some sort of 'prove it' deal is beneficial" is flawed- it is really just self-defeating. If he lacks effort and only plays for a contract, he will put up great numbers for his "prove it" years, and then demand a big pay-day. If we leverage his fall '17 against his 2018, we are more likely to get him long term at a good value for his skills. If he doesn't reach his absolute ceiling, we're paying him what he's worth. If he does, it will be one of the best contracts out there. If he plays amazing in his "prove-it" contract, we will have to pay him much more, and almost guaranteed he'll demand 8 years. Nothing is to stop him thereafter from not trying, if he is what some fear (lacking effort). I see locking him up long-term right now to have the least risk/highest reward potential. Edited August 16, 2018 by erickompositör72 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 On 8/12/2018 at 3:55 PM, Hoss said: There’s a reason I was turned off and stayed away for almost two years. Seems to be mostly a more welcoming place these days so that’s appreciated. I remember having thought about Reinhart vs Sharp so early that I mentioned him wearing 10 in Kootenay as a connection. Why do people want to fight over a Sharp comparison? Their playing styles are nothing alike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MakeSabresGrr8Again Posted August 19, 2018 Report Share Posted August 19, 2018 Well, at least talks are "on going" so that's a good sign. I'm not really looking for it to get done until he shows up for camp or just B4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 In SweetLou's defense he and I assume many others are frustrated that Jbot, who has been so diligent in making over this roster hasn't yet managed to sign a key RFA. However, this isn't unusual. There are still a bunch of significant RFAs still unsigned. Nylander, Nurse, Theodore, Schmaltz, Hanifin, Morrissey and Miles Wood still don't have deals in place. This isn't something to worry about. Camp opens on 9/14. If he isn't signed by then, then we can start to worry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetlou Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 More wanting to see if fans are willing to move him if the returning pieces could add some more speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 4 hours ago, sweetlou said: More wanting to see if fans are willing to move him if the returning pieces could add some more speed. If that is what you wanted to know why didn't you just ask it here? It is a reasonable question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 (edited) Having speed and being fast doesn't mean you play the game faster. Samson sees it well and the reason he and Eichel play well together is that they can see the game at the same pace. I don't want a trade for a player who is just "fast". Edited August 27, 2018 by Huckleberry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 19 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said: In SweetLou's defense he and I assume many others are frustrated that Jbot, who has been so diligent in making over this roster hasn't yet managed to sign a key RFA. However, this isn't unusual. There are still a bunch of significant RFAs still unsigned. Nylander, Nurse, Theodore, Schmaltz, Hanifin, Morrissey and Miles Wood still don't have deals in place. This isn't something to worry about. Camp opens on 9/14. If he isn't signed by then, then we can start to worry. I don't think it is a Jbot thing. I think he offered a deal and Reinhart isn't sure he wants to sign it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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