erickompositör72 Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 Give him 8 years at his full ask. Do it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 1 minute ago, erickompositör72 said: Give him 8 years at his full ask. Do it. I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 IMHO, if we want Reino to become Bergeron or Toews, and not Roy or Stafford, a short-term deal is the way to go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woods-racer Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 If Botterill is holding firm, and I have no problems with that, then there's more to the core change he believes is needed than just Kane and ROR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, woods-racer said: If Botterill is holding firm, and I have no problems with that, then there's more to the core change he believes is needed than just Kane and ROR. If that were true he would have dealt Reinhart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 (edited) What if the 5.75M Reinhart is allegedly asking for is his AAV ask for a long-term deal? And Botterill's 4.5M AAV is regarding a short term pact? Would people be disappointed if Botterill is adamant on a bridge contract, even with Reinhart asking for the aforementioned $? Ehlers is a decent comparable, from the same draft year, and he signed a 7 year deal with a 6 million dollar AAV. 5.75 would seem reasonable for Sam. Edited August 8, 2018 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted August 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 (edited) I’ve brought them up many times: Horvat and Drouin are among the best comparables. Each signed last summer for 5.5 over 6. Edited August 8, 2018 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 5 hours ago, JJFIVEOH said: I agree. Do it now. Right now. Yes, it could backfire, but fortune favors the bold. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woods-racer Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 On 8/8/2018 at 7:05 PM, WildCard said: If that were true he would have dealt Reinhart He is dealing with Reinhart as if he is not part of the core. Botterill obviously has reservations above Sam and whether there should be a long term commitment. I feel the same as Botterill and am glad he is taking this approach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 Dvorak just re-signed an extension starting in 2019-20 for 6 years @ $4.45 per season. Dvorak, 22, has two NHL seasons under his belt and had 33 & 37 pts respectively. Reinhart has three seasons of 42, 47and 50 pts. Both players are 22. Larkin, 22, also is still un-signed. He has 3 seasons of 45, 32 and 63 pts, although his goal scoring has decreased each year; 23, 17, 16. I don’t Reinhart signs long-term. I’m thinking 3 years 15 mill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted August 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 42 minutes ago, woods-racer said: He is dealing with Reinhart as if he is not part of the core. Botterill obviously has reservations above Sam and whether there should be a long term commitment. What are you basing this on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted August 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 Larkin just signed for five years, $30.5 million. The five years is really interesting to me; they only bought one year of UFA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 13 minutes ago, dudacek said: Larkin just signed for five years, $30.5 million. The five years is really interesting to me; they only bought one year of UFA. Then I'd rather give him 8x6 mil. Been saying it for a while, his stats are similar then Scheifele's first 3 years. Problem for Bots might actually be our cap space this year, if you pay samson 6 mil we barely have cap room left. Next year we got pommer and Moulson coming of the books, but we'll have to pay Skinner and Samson their big deals. We are tighter against the cap than some think. Zemgus/larsson might give us a bit of breathing room but the ugly contract is that of Okposo. If he doesn't start performing again its real ugly. CURRENT CAP SPACE : $6,465,476 DEADLINE CAP SPACE : $30,064,463 TODAYS CAP HIT : $73,034,524 https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/sabres I see more like a 1x 5 mil deal being worked for Samson because of our cap space. Unless he is confident he can get rid of 2/3 of Larsson, Girgensons, Hunwick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, dudacek said: Larkin just signed for five years, $30.5 million. The five years is really interesting to me; they only bought one year of UFA. I’ve said before that a 5 year deal is very possible for Samson. From Samson’s point of view he hits the market again at 27, gving him the possibility of another big payday in his prime. From our point of view it locks up a piece of the core for what should be the heart of this group’s run to the top and gets us past Okposo’s deal if we want to retain Samson after the deal. Huck we have even less cap then you think. Nelson’s 812K deal isn’t in capfriendly’s numbers. With Nelson and Reinhart we’ll be at 24 NHL players, including Thompson in the 14 forwards. Something has to give. Thompson can be sent down without clearing waivers, but if I’m Larry or Z, I think I’d be watching my back. Also if Guhle and Baptiste (or Bailey) make the team, that could force others currently slated for Buffalo to find new homes. Baloo and Hunwick are the obvious choices on D. Edited August 10, 2018 by GASabresIUFAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 Wow, I'll be pissed if we give Reinhart a Larkin type contract. There's a reason you very rarely ever see 4 or 5 year deals after a players elc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, Derrico said: Wow, I'll be pissed if we give Reinhart a Larkin type contract. There's a reason you very rarely ever see 4 or 5 year deals after a players elc. Ken Holland, no longer a good GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted August 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 (edited) Great analysis of the Larkin contract from the Athletic. It’s my opinion that Larkin is in a position to demand a better contract than Sam, but their ELC performances are close enough to be relevant. (Contract also puts the Wings over the cap) The more interesting thing regarding this contract is the term. There really isn’t another contract like this. When you look at the comparable contracts that certainly came up during the negotiations, they are typically on longer-term deals.... This deal buys out one year of unrestricted free agency, which provides value for the Red Wings. But it’s only one year. Larkin will be 27 when he starts his next contract, and if he continues to progress as a player, he’s lining himself up for another big payday when it’s done.... In exchange, the Red Wings lock up what will likely be the best years of Larkin’s career. They weren’t willing to pay the premium that it would have required to get to eight years, in part because it was too much risk surrounding a player still establishing his ceiling... Holland traditionally likes his players motivated to earn the next contract and by going five years, Larkin will eventually have the very real motivation to earn what could be a monster deal on his next one... Edited August 10, 2018 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted August 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 Another Athletic piece: this one an analytics-based piece that argues the Sabres might be better off with Reinhart at Centre. I know @WildCard hates that stuff, but the choice quote: “What we learn is that Reinhart has had a much greater impact in driving play than Eichel has since they’ve been in the league together.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, dudacek said: Another Athletic piece: this one an analytics-based piece that argues the Sabres might be better off with Reinhart at Centre. I know @WildCard hates that stuff, but the choice quote: “What we learn is that Reinhart has had a much greater impact in driving play than Eichel has since they’ve been in the league together.” An analytics article sounds like something I'd actually be interested in reading. Still won't pay for it though ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erickompositör72 Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 (edited) We haven't seen the 2018 version of Reinhart at center, correct? His 2018 play makes me curious to have another look. Edited August 10, 2018 by erickompositör72 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 2 hours ago, WildCard said: An analytics article sounds like something I'd actually be interested in reading. Still won't pay for it though ? But but but....won't somebody think of the starving journalists??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeSabresGrr8Again Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 Are any of these new contracts maybe taking into consideration that the current CBA expires in a few years? Locking in to certain unknown factors beyond a new agreement(which could be as soon as 2020) could make a difference on BOTH sides of the table. Just a thought as I'm not a lawyer or agent or GM or player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted August 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 57 minutes ago, MakeSabresGrr8Again said: Are any of these new contracts maybe taking into consideration that the current CBA expires in a few years? Locking in to certain unknown factors beyond a new agreement(which could be as soon as 2020) could make a difference on BOTH sides of the table. Just a thought as I'm not a lawyer or agent or GM or player. Absolutely. A number of players are stacking money as bonuses. Larkin’s salary is considerably lower in the likely lockout year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeSabresGrr8Again Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 10 minutes ago, dudacek said: Absolutely. A number of players are stacking money as bonuses. Larkin’s salary is considerably lower in the likely lockout year. Not knowing what changes may be coming could have a serious effect on the term length,too. Players may be hitting prime or starting the declining side of their career at the time of new CBA. I wonder if either side is starting to think about what changes they are going to be asking for in the new agreement and looking at how contracts will be affected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 I migth be drunk righ now. but I want Samson with us for the next 8 years. there are few thing I lik about GMTM, but picking Samson isn't one. 8x6 and kick Larsson/Zemgus/Hunwick out to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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