dudacek Posted July 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 A few scenarios to chew on: Sam signs a 2-year, $8 million bridge, settles in as a 50-point scorer, becomes an RFA at age 24 asking for $6 million per Sam signs a 2-year, $8 million bridge, breaks out as a 65-point scorer, becomes an RFA at age 24, asking for $8 million Sam signs a 6-year, $36 million deal, settles in as a 50-point scorer, becomes a UFA at 28 asking for ? Sam signs a 6-year, $36 million deal, breaks out as a 65-point scorer, becomes a UFA at 28 asking for ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, dudacek said: A few scenarios to chew on: Sam signs a 2-year, $8 million bridge, settles in as a 50-point scorer, becomes an RFA at age 24 asking for $6 million per Sam signs a 2-year, $8 million bridge, breaks out as a 65-point scorer, becomes an RFA at age 24, asking for $8 million Sam signs a 6-year, $36 million deal, settles in as a 50-point scorer, becomes a UFA at 28 asking for ? Sam signs a 6-year, $36 million deal, breaks out as a 65-point scorer, becomes a UFA at 28 asking for ? No. 4 please. Assuming we're not talking about 65 secondary assists. Edited July 31, 2018 by Eleven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 IMHO, 3 out of duda's 4 scenarios argue in favor of giving him a 2-year deal. - both "settle into 50-point" scenarios mean that he's plateaued already and isn't going to get any better than the decent but not great player we've seen so far. That is not a guy I'm remotely interested in giving a long-term deal. - I'm also fine with a bridge deal where he he turns into a 65-point guy, even though his next contract will be more expensive, because I don't think he'll turn into that player unless he has the motivation of being told that his team doesn't think he's worth a fat contract yet but it's there for him in 2 years. Separately, my gyro sandwich has collapsed into a greasy mess, notwithstanding its deliciousness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 I could see a 1yr deal that's bonus heavy. I really think that's the likely contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 13 hours ago, LGR4GM said: I could see a 1yr deal that's bonus heavy. I really think that's the likely contract. That's funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 I'm now thinking a 5 year deal. Okposo's contract comes off the books then and we can then use KO's money to re-sign Samson if he is worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted August 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 Buying only one year of UFA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: I'm now thinking a 5 year deal. Okposo's contract comes off the books then and we can then use KO's money to re-sign Samson if he is worth it. Unless I'm missing something that's not a great deal for the Sabres at all. A player becomes a UFA at the age of 27 or 7 years played. Sam has played 3. So you are buying up all of his RFA years and only one UFA season. I think no matter what it should either be a 1-3 year bridge deal or 6+ long term deal. 4-5 years are not very desirable from a Sabres perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted August 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 (edited) Depends on the player, but there is a lot to be said for locking your core guys into 8-year deals covering all prime years until they hit 30, same idea as Jack. Whether Sam fits that mould is another question. Edited August 1, 2018 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 (edited) I think he gets a 1year deal and I think he signs his deal in mid August. He believes he's worth an 8yr deal and so Botterill is saying, fine prove it. I originally thought different but my sense of things is that Reinhart is just mulling over if he wants that 1yr prove it deal or not. Edited August 1, 2018 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 I'm less concerned about buying UFA's years than I am about wether or not he'll actually live up to the dollar amount. We still don't know what he is. That said, I'd go 2 years at 4m/yr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 I'd be good with 2 year $4 per Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 Less then 5 years is fine by me. I have wanted a 3 year bridge deal, but I'm looking at the Sabres cap situation and the puzzle pieces need to fit together. I agree with Pi that performance relative to $ paid is more important then term or buying UFA years. I don't think Samson has earned an 8 year deal. Playing great for one half season isn't proof of long-term success. Howeve, the question of this thread isn't what I want them to do, but what I think they'll do. Samson contract expiring w Okposo's makes sense from a cap prospective even if it doesn't get enough UFA years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 (edited) On 7/31/2018 at 11:32 AM, dudacek said: Domi put up 135 points over his ELC, Sam 139. Sam is a year younger and scored more goals, so will get more, but they are definitely comparables. Sam put up 140, but splitting hairs here. To your point, Domi actually has a higher points per game than Reinhart throughout the duration of his ELC. .61 v .56 Edited August 1, 2018 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted August 2, 2018 Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 17 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Less then 5 years is fine by me. I have wanted a 3 year bridge deal, but I'm looking at the Sabres cap situation and the puzzle pieces need to fit together. I agree with Pi that performance relative to $ paid is more important then term or buying UFA years. I don't think Samson has earned an 8 year deal. Playing great for one half season isn't proof of long-term success. Howeve, the question of this thread isn't what I want them to do, but what I think they'll do. Samson contract expiring w Okposo's makes sense from a cap prospective even if it doesn't get enough UFA years. The team isn’t going to give him a five-year deal. It’d be almost as bad as a four-year pact. And teams don’t need to operate by looking around at other contracts and when they expire if they have so few deals signed that far out. The only long-term consideration the team is likely looking at is what contracts they’ll soon have to do (Dahlin, Mittelstadt). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted August 2, 2018 Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 Jbot and his staff look at that all the time. GM’s want to know when vet deals come off the books so they re-allocate that money under the cap where they need it to go. It’s a consideration in every trade and every FA signing. Taking on Nunwick’s, Pommers’s, Sobotka’s and Berglunds deals and for how long was a huge consideration in the trades. Most of the K’s acquired every just a year or two, so no big deal as this team rebuilds. However Berglund’s 4 year deal was likely a huge sticking point in the negotiation. The only reason he was able to take he contract is because he had so few out that far, but that contract will become an issue sooner then later. We have 9 players on the current roster who will be RFA’s over then next 3 seasons, plus Scandella, Risto and Sheary who will need to be retained. This list includes Thompson, Mittelstadt and Dahlin who will likely be up for long-term deals as well. How those contracts fall into the cap and for how long is always a consideration. While you are correct that only KO and Jack are extended beyond 4 years. The number of players and the size of their deals for players under contract for 22/23 and beyond will grow and quickly over the next few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 Botterill says they've had ongoing dialogue with Reinhart's camp about a deal but no updates at this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 12 hours ago, Hoss said: Botterill says they've had ongoing dialogue with Reinhart's camp about a deal but no updates at this time. I think Reinhart is mulling over his deal and deciding if he wants to sign it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 Botteril sounded last night, to me anyway, like they are pretty far apart on the contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 https://twitter.com/jeremywgr/status/1027219313340686337?s=21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted August 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 7 minutes ago, Brawndo said: https://twitter.com/jeremywgr/status/1027219313340686337?s=21 Not too meaningful without the term, but those numbers look like a two- or three-year deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeSabresGrr8Again Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 9 minutes ago, dudacek said: Not too meaningful without the term, but those numbers look like a two- or three-year deal. The number Sabres are offering say,,,,Sam is only worth 1/2 of what Jack is. I would say Sam's counter is more reasonable and yes, term is a good question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 (edited) He should get at least $5M/year Edited August 8, 2018 by WildCard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 If JBott is indeed holding firm to $4.5MM x 2 years, then he is doing it right and I am encouraged about his judgment and therefore the Sabres' long-term picture. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 1 minute ago, nfreeman said: If JBott is indeed holding firm to $4.5MM x 2 years, then he is doing it right and I am encouraged about his judgment and therefore the Sabres' long-term picture. Players have remarked how bitter they are towards the team after arbitration and processes like this. I don't think it's wise to burn a bridge with a young player like Reinhart over $1M/year, especially when our cap isn't an issue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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