Weave Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 Another option would be Moulson for Orpik, if the Avs are considering a buyout? But I'd rather the Sabres use Moulson to help another team get to the floor. Teams aren't tanking anymore so noone needs bad contracts to get to the floor. That strategy is going the way of the dinosaurs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 Teams aren't tanking anymore so noone needs bad contracts to get to the floor. That strategy is going the way of the dinosaurs. Quickly, name the capital of Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 Quickly, name the capital of Canada. Ottawa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 This won’t make a few on here happy. Post-pick Botterill talked about making sure that Rasmus was supported and how important it was the McCabe and Bogosian were healthy. I’ve never seen anything from our new braintrust to indicate they are anything other than high on Zac. That kind makes me happy. Bogo being healthy and playing well would almost feel like we found a late round pick that hit. I just can't believe he has played in 10 NHL seasons and is just 27. Quickly, name the capital of Canada. Regina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 This won’t make a few on here happy. Post-pick Botterill talked about making sure that Rasmus was supported and how important it was the McCabe and Bogosian were healthy. I’ve never seen anything from our new braintrust to indicate they are anything other than high on Zac. Which will be to their detriment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 (edited) Regina.No, no, no, that’s our queen!Jeez, Americans can be so ignorant at times. Edited June 23, 2018 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 I believe the instances of the Sabres doing stupid things will be significantly decreased with Jason Botterill as GM. Well, they apparently really like Bogosian and are counting on him being healthy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 So who are we trading to get a 3rd rd pick? Girgensons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 So who are we trading to get a 3rd rd pick? Girgensons? Bad idea to trade a guy who has proven he can play in the league for the opportunity to select a guy who has about a 20% chance of proving he can play in the league, and even then, it would be three to five years from now. Girgensons is no superstar and never will be, but he's likely better than whomever the Sabres could select in the third round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 Bad idea to trade a guy who has proven he can play in the league for the opportunity to select a guy who has about a 20% chance of proving he can play in the league, and even then, it would be three to five years from now. Girgensons is no superstar and never will be, but he's likely better than whomever the Sabres could select in the third round. I was going to say the same thing. Culture change and roster turnover need to happen but just gutting the roster just to say we did seems like a fools errand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 Bad idea to trade a guy who has proven he can play in the league for the opportunity to select a guy who has about a 20% chance of proving he can play in the league, and even then, it would be three to five years from now. Girgensons is no superstar and never will be, but he's likely better than whomever the Sabres could select in the third round. Yup. I'll never understand the enthusiasm for trading known NHL talent for less than coin toss odds for an effective replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 By all means, upgrade Zemgus. I think that should happen by, perhaps, signing Riley Nash, to bump Zemgus down a roster slot. 3rd round pick ain't doin that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robviously Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 Bad idea to trade a guy who has proven he can play in the league for the opportunity to select a guy who has about a 20% chance of proving he can play in the league, and even then, it would be three to five years from now. Girgensons is no superstar and never will be, but he's likely better than whomever the Sabres could select in the third round.Trade him just to change the culture. He's a JAG, and not even a good one. He'll be easy to replace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 Trade him just to change the culture. He's a JAG, and not even a good one. He'll be easy to replace. then why have we only been able to fill out our roster to date with guys that haven't been able to replace him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 Trade him just to change the culture. He's a JAG, and not even a good one. He'll be easy to replace. Fine, but trade him for a player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robviously Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 then why have we only been able to fill out our roster to date with guys that haven't been able to replace him?Incompetence. Also, how has holding onto him worked out? To put it another way, how excited are you to ever see him play for us again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 (edited) Incompetence. Also, how has holding onto him worked out? To put it another way, how excited are you to ever see him play for us again? More excited than waiting 3-5 years to watch a kid with a 20% chance of being equivalent to ZG. Edited June 23, 2018 by We've Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 The Bogosian McCabe pairing might have been our worst one all season. I don't want Dahlin anywhere near Bogosian. Jets fans say that him leaving was a key part of Trouba's development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robviously Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 More excited than waiting 3-5 years to watch a kid with a 20% chance of being equivalent to ZG.You'd be watching whatever JAG replacement we get next year while that prospect is developing. Fine, but trade him for a player.Just as long as he's gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 Trade him just to change the culture. He's a JAG, and not even a good one. He'll be easy to replace. If culture change is real, and moving JAG is necessary to achieve it, we're well and thoroughly screwed. I could not possibly care less whether Zemgus stays or goes, but it seems to me the argument for moving him is just fans being sick of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robviously Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 If culture change is real, and moving JAG is necessary to achieve it, we're well and thoroughly screwed. I could not possibly care less whether Zemgus stays or goes, but it seems to me the argument for moving him is just fans being sick of him. I'm more than happy to get rid of guys that are all in on partying and have only ever been part of some of the worst teams in NHL history. And I want next year's team to feel as "new" as possible. I do think culture matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 Well, they apparently really like Bogosian and are counting on him being healthy... Remind me what assets did Botterill give up to acquire him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 No, no, no, that’s our queen! Jeez, Americans can be so ignorant at times. Didn’t T’Challa defeat her though in the fight to the death to determine the new ruler? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 Remind me what assets did Botterill give up to acquire him? Relying on Bogosian is only incrementally less dumb than giving up assets to acquire him. By relying on Bogosian to be both good and healthy, contributing in the top-4, Botterill is functionally deciding to enter the season short a top-4 defenseman. I'm more than happy to get rid of guys that are all in on partying and have only ever been part of some of the worst teams in NHL history. And I want next year's team to feel as "new" as possible. I do think culture matters. This is certainly fair from a fan perspective. It's just that to the extent that culture is real and matters, I don't think moving out a 4th liner will make a lick of difference on that front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 Per McKenzie BUF had considerable trade talk on Ryan O’Reilly at draft but expects to leave today without a deal done. STL, MTL amongst the interested. Big signing bonus due ROR on July 1. If not traded before July 1, ROR more likely to be in BUF to start the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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