WildCard Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 Peters asked Botts if he was taking Dahlin #1 and this was the response WGR 550Verified account @WGR550 now19 seconds agoMore Botterill - Dahlin is a very talented player. With that No. 1 pick, we get to control who and where we get to pick. #Sabres He was laughing the entire time he answered that question too And Terry Pegula just called in as 'Terry from Pennsylvania'. He's answering questions now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 This isn't correct. They are all drawn at the same time. The two sessions of card flipping are just theatrics. What are the mechanics of the draw, as you understand it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 I'm going to be nervous that they pick Tkachuk until I see Dahlin walking on stage :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 What are the mechanics of the draw, as you understand it. https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/inside-happened-2018-nhl-draft-lottery-room/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 Machine 1 - Ball, guy records the number Machine 2 - Ball, guy records the number Machine 3 - Ball, guy records the number Machine 4 - Ball, guy records the number The full number is read out in case someone missed it. This. Then they sit in the room by themselves until the rest of the world is given the glorious news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 Perfect. Makes sense to me. Im wrong, there is 1 machine with all the numbers. Yeah. They just replace the ball each time. Same outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/inside-happened-2018-nhl-draft-lottery-room/ The first three numbers drawn for the first overall pick were 1, 4, 14, in that specific order. After those three numbers were called, Buffalo, Arizona, Vancouver and Chicago each had two number combinations remaining that could’ve seen them win the top selection, while Ottawa had three potential winning combos. No. 6 was called and that meant it was the Sabres that became the lucky team with the opportunity to draft consensus top prospect Rasmus Dahlin, a player who said he enjoys watching Senators captain Erik Karlsson above all others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/inside-happened-2018-nhl-draft-lottery-room/ The first three numbers drawn for the first overall pick were 1, 4, 14, in that specific order. After those three numbers were called, Buffalo, Arizona, Vancouver and Chicago each had two number combinations remaining that could’ve seen them win the top selection, while Ottawa had three potential winning combos. No. 6 was called and that meant it was the Sabres that became the lucky team with the opportunity to draft consensus top prospect Rasmus Dahlin, a player who said he enjoys watching Senators captain Erik Karlsson above all others. Man, poor Arizona. They get so close every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LikeEich Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 Man, poor Arizona. They get so close every year. Ya if they had fans, I bet they would be pissed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 Yea... I wish Terry would hang up. He uttered the phrase "the final solution" earlier in his call about the Bills and it was yet again not the best choice of words... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 Im wrong, there is 1 machine with all the numbers. Yeah. They just replace the ball each time. Same outcome. Gotcha. https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/inside-happened-2018-nhl-draft-lottery-room/ The first three numbers drawn for the first overall pick were 1, 4, 14, in that specific order. After those three numbers were called, Buffalo, Arizona, Vancouver and Chicago each had two number combinations remaining that could’ve seen them win the top selection, while Ottawa had three potential winning combos. No. 6 was called and that meant it was the Sabres that became the lucky team with the opportunity to draft consensus top prospect Rasmus Dahlin, a player who said he enjoys watching Senators captain Erik Karlsson above all others. Is there artificiality or some sort of faulty reasoning in saying that the odds were such-and-such at the pulling of the 4th number? Or is that, in truth, what the odds had become at that point? Do the original odds remain applicable in some way, up until the final number is drawn? He uttered the phrase "the final solution" earlier in his call about the Bills and it was yet again not the best choice of words... GTFO. You're joking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 He uttered the phrase "the final solution" earlier in his call about the Bills and it was yet again not the best choice of words... Well that explains Allen > Rosen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 If that's the context and the full sentence there's nothing to see here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 If that's the context and the full sentence there's nothing to see here. Right, it's not really bad. But it's just another one of those phrases that I would never use in any capacity in the business world. You'd think, being in that world, he'd have that one completely scrubbed from his head. I just thought it was funny given his propensity for saying weird stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 Yeah. I reckon he's just a galoot. A walking malaprop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 If that's the context and the full sentence there's nothing to see here. Source: John VoglVerified account @BuffNewsVogl 28m28 minutes agoMore "Winning press conferences and drafts and whatnot is not the final solution. It's winning games and getting in the playoffs and trying to get the big prize." - Terry Pegula on @OneBillsLive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 Yeah. I reckon he's just a galoot. A walking malaprop. Right. Although his comments the other day about the NFL needing to be more like the NRA were a little more suspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 Right. Although his comments the other day about the NFL needing to be more like the NRA were a little more suspect. Is true. It wasn't necessarily a non-apt parallel for the point he was trying to make. But it was ... a curious one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 The NHL lottery has 14 balls numbered 1 - 14 in a single hopper. 4 balls are drawn out of the hopper w/ none getting replaced. They don't care the order in which the numbers come out of the hopper, i.e. 1-2-3-14 is equivalent to 14-3-2-1. There are 1,001 different combinations that can be drawn. 1,000 of these combinations are assigned randomly to the 16 teams in the lottery (Vegas had the same odds as the 29th place team) and if the 1,001st combination came up it would be a redraw. After a particular ball is drawn, the odds change as the probability of drawing that particular ball goes from 1/14 to 100% & every other ball now has a 1/13th chance of being drawn. In the example where the Otters had the best chances once only 1 ball was left, it had been assigned the most combinations containing the already drawn 3 ball combo. (They likely had 3 combos that worked as Buffalo & 3 others had the 2nd best odds & necessarily had 2 combos that worked (11 remaining balls, Otters w/ 3 of those, Buffalo & the other 3 w/ 2 each of the combos).) The math of the original 14 balls yeilding 1,001 combinations is 14!/10! 4! (14*13*...*2*1)/((10*9*8*...*2*1)*(4*3*2*1)). Yeah. They just replace the ball each time. Same outcome. No, they don't replace the balls each time after a ball has been selected. There are only 11 balls left in the hopper to determine the 4th number. They likely use a fresh set of lottery balls for each of the 3 draws to make sure none of the previously selected balls have been damaged/altered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 ^ Sorry, Taro, but that makes it harder to get my head around ... :P And, this from a guy who just spend an hour reading up on marital status and changes to that as it pertains to Canadian tax law. Man, I could really use a month long, at least, vacation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 Is true. It wasn't necessarily a non-apt parallel for the point he was trying to make. But it was ... a curious one. I think he's just one of those people who has no knowledge of history. He's never watched a lick of history channel, or been to a museum, or considered anything remotely related to a social issue of any sort. He's only ever done business things. So because he's a rich white dude who probably hangs out with conservative business types a lot, the NRA has probably been discussed in his circles as a branding success. The context of the NRA, gun violence, black communities, Kaep, etc, is completely lost on him. He's probably never heard the phrase "the final solution" used in the context of the holocaust. He probably just has no idea. It's gotta be weird to be his kids... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 ^ Sorry, Taro, but that makes it harder to get my head around ... :P And, this from a guy who just spend an hour reading up on marital status and changes to that as it pertains to Canadian tax law. Man, I could really use a month long, at least, vacation. IIRC, Buffalo had 186 (18.6%) of the 1,000 assigned random number permutations. And they aren't just given combos 1-2-3-4 - ~ 1-2-13-14. Their 186 combos are assigned randomly so that simply having a 1 or a 14 pop out wouldn't guarantee a win (nor a loss, for as many teams as possible). After those 1st 3 balls had been selected, 11 teams had been eliminated from winning the lottery & five remained w/ the Otters having ~27% chance of winning & the other 4 each w/ ~18% chance of winning. For the following 2 drawings, each team still had their original #'s, so when on the 3rd draw a combo belonging to the Sabres came up, they redrew the numbers & a combo belonging to the Habs came up. Technically, they could have had an infinite number of redraws for the 2nd &/or 3rd drawing because the Sabres combo still had the best odds of winning & each draw was an independent event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 And the 14!/(10! 4!) ends up 24,024/24 = 1,001. (The 10! cancels itself out in the numerator & denominator, so you have (14*13*12*11)/(4*3*2*1).) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 If it helps anyone visualize, here's the number table from 2015: http://www.nhl.com/nhl/en/v3/ext/pdfs/NHL-Lottery-2015-Look-Up-Table-Alpha-by-Team.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 Haven't seen it posted yet. Here's a descriptive read on what happened inside the lottery room. https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/inside-happened-2018-nhl-draft-lottery-room/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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