Kane traded to San Jose for a Cond. ‘19 1st, Dan O’ Regan and Conditional 4th

[GASabresIUFAN]

I think botterill just was with his back against the wall thanks to the pegula's wanting kane gone.

Other GM's knew it and lowballed him,  Hartman got chicago a 2018 1st round pick , Hanzal got a good haul last year.

None of these players are better than kane.

If the Pegula's wnated Kane gone so bad, then Jbot should have traded him last summer after his 28 goal campaign.

 

I have been happy with Jbot's moves to date.  I loved Wilson for a 5th, and the Scandella deal.  I even appreciated the Baloo trade for a 3rd.  It was a very reasonable risk to try to get a top 6 D that fit Wowie's system for as little as a third.  We also have gotten our money's worth from Pouliot.

 

However, the spin that he had no other legit offers for Kane is BS.  Top 6 wingers who can consistently put up 20 goals (which Kane has done for us for 3 straight years), add speed to your lineup and also play the PK don't grow on trees and are worth much more then Jbot managed to receive.  He is putting a positive spin on his miss handling of Kane. 

[Brawndo]

Thread was an interesting read after the fact.

 

I thought the 4th was in 2020 to begin with?

 

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Botterill mentioned a 2019 4th that can become a 2020 3rd

[GASabresIUFAN]

It was always coming.

Absolutely.  I and others have said we'll ahve a 50% roster turnover this summer.  I also won't be surprised if more scouts, coaches and other staff are sent packing.  This organization is bad to the core and it needs to be fixed.  My confidence in Jbot to fix it however has taken a major blow today.

[BuffaloBorn]

Suspending judgement until I see what this "prospect" can bring. If a 1st comes from this, not a COMPLETE failure and certainly not the worst trade of all time- but any pick that isn't this year is by default awful. I'm looking forward to seeing what the guy can do at the NHL level. Maybe we got lucky and he's a late bloomer (optimism)...or maybe he's a marginal throw-in that'll be run out of the league by the end of the season....

We'll see

[PromoTheRobot]

https://forums.sabrespace.com/topic/25619-post-your-kane-prediction-here/?p=1031012

[Thorny]

What if we sign Kane this summer? Is it a good trade then?

It’s just not going to happen. The Sabres clearly have no interest.

[miles]

i dont think this is a bad trade for a rental, honestly. i figured a first rounder only, they got more than that. 

 

even if the prospect doesnt work out, kane was not coming back here, so we got what 3 players for not having kane on this team for 3 months....a team that wont make it to the playoff in the next 3 years at least?

 

this is a good deal. 

[darksabre]

It’s just not going to happen. The Sabres clearly have no interest.

Right. They never talked extension with him. He was always getting traded and never coming back.

[Brawndo]

Generally organizational changes signify a failure, and at the very least there's a disconnect somewhere within the organization, and we'll have yet again someone new at some position started fresh, and implemented some new way of doing things.

 

I don't know why I continue to believe in this team

 

Unfortunately this is the case with this organization, Regier left it on unsteady ground but left the tools in place to rebuild it. GMTM sold those tools for magic beans and it collapsed. There are a few pieces left, but Botterill has a lot of work to do.

[Beer]

GMTM was a risk taker and JB is going to be more conservative (IMO). I just hope he's able to deliver the sizzle and the steak in drafts and through FA.

[SDS]

Unfortunately this is the case with this organization, Regier left it on unsteady ground but left the tools in place to rebuild it. GMTM sold those tools for magic beans and it collapsed. There are a few pieces left, but Botterill has a lot of work to do.

 

I didn't pay any attention to how Vegas built their team in one year. Are there lessons to be learned there?

[Winston]

I’m not upset with this trade. But I really like former BU players and think O’Regan is really underrated. I was hopeful that Boston’s overpayment for Nash would prelude an overpayment for Kane. In a vacuum, I’m happy with the Kane deal. Compared to some others, it is underwhelming. But if only 1 or 2 teams will overpay, then you’ve gotta get what you can get.

[Gramps]

Just listened to GMJB's presser ... man is he uncomfortable in front of the media. 

[inkman]

I didn't pay any attention to how Vegas built their team in one year. Are there lessons to be learned there?

Build an entire city that encourages all visiting players to play at less than 50% due to the brown bottle flu

[Beer]

Just listened to GMJB's presser ... man is he uncomfortable in front of the media.

Did he get killed by Buffalo's finest sports writers?

[Thorny]

I’m not upset with this trade. But I really like former BU players and think O’Regan is really underrated. I was hopeful that Boston’s overpayment for Nash would prelude an overpayment for Kane. In a vacuum, I’m happy with the Kane deal. Compared to some others, it is underwhelming. But if only 1 or 2 teams will overpay, then you’ve gotta get what you can get.

College players college players college players.

 

After ROR and Reinhart are traded, the Sabres will be rid of Canadians for the duration of Botterill’s tenure :p ;)

[darksabre]

Just listened to GMJB's presser ... man is he uncomfortable in front of the media.

Probably because he expects the fools in our local media to ask him ridiculous questions.

[Beer]

College players college players college players.

 

After ROR and Reinhart are traded, the Sabres will be rid of Canadians for the duration of Botterill’s tenure :p ;)

Canadians are the new Russians

[IKnowPhysics]

No idea. I think the overall point is that the era of dealing 1st round picks for 20 game rentals is over. There is a lot of experience on this board and I'm not necessarily sure everyone has absorbed the fact that deadline day isn't Christmas morning like years past. I scanned that Trade Tracker and the movement wasn't impressive at all.

 

It's Christmas morning for Sharks fans.

[GoPuckYourself]

I thought it was a decent return. O'Reagan is a decent prospect, AHL rookie of the year in 2016. Played with Eichel and we get a 1st next season. My only regret is that we didn't trade more players.

[Brawndo]

I didn't pay any attention to how Vegas built their team in one year. Are there lessons to be learned there?

Sure, you need an expansion draft. Then you need to make trades with each team to protect certain players which allows other good players to be available for you to pick from. They might be second and third liners, but that does give the team balance over all four lines. Then you need to find players in said expansion draft who have underperformed on their old teams and have them have career years for your team. Then you need to find an underrated coach who will have his team exceed everyone’s wildest expectations.(Shout out to JJ)

 

If you can replicate that success, your the next Golden Knights

[Thorny]

Botterill mentioned a 2019 4th that can become a 2020 3rd

Yup. So it’s a 2019 2nd and a 2019 4th.

 

The 2nd can move to a 1st if he signs there this summer, and the 4th can become a 3rd the following year (So, essentially the same value) if SJ chooses.

[Winston]

Are we going to call O’Regan “DOR” like we call O’Reilly “ROR?”

[Thorny]

Are we going to call O’Regan “DOR” like we call O’Reilly “ROR?”

I’m sure those who watch all the Amerks games regularly will.

[PerreaultForever]

Winners and losers trade deadline 2018, guess where they put the Sabres:

 

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1491125