inkman Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 I heard blessed a few times too. Now this makes sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) there aren't words you can say that will make me think otherwise. Allen is going to suck. I feel this way 1000 times more than you think he will succeed. Hes terrible. It's unfortunate. You may be my conduit to pure Joy reciting his stats from the 5-10 NFL game he may end up playing. I want him to succeed but the Bills colossul failure in handling this draft is going to fall on you for your support of this terrible QB. Good luck dude. I hope he's great. Ink nailed it. There is 0.0% chance Allen is even in the league after 4 years. That means we get a new HC and GM after 3-4 years, a new process, and a whole new draft where we will never have as good as opportunity and will prolly still it up Because Buffalo. Ink is right, this is another decade of Edited April 27, 2018 by Jokertecken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 No you don't - you hope he sucks cuz you're mad. Don't worry - all things pass. Mad? Mad is what happenes when you stub your toe on a couch someone moved 3 inches to clean. Mad is being stuck in traffic for 20 minutes for a rubber necked delay. I'm apocalyptic right now. I'd pick up Josh Allen at the airport, Plat drugs on him and call the cops. Get this away from my team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 So tremaine is good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 Lol, I thought Gettleman was dumb in saying missing on a QB sets a team back 5 years. But 10 years is laughable. The Bills will be fine, mark my words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gramps Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) Mad? Mad is what happenes when you stub your toe on a couch someone moved 3 inches to clean. Mad is being stuck in traffic for 20 minutes for a rubber necked delay. I'm ###### apocalyptic right now. I'd pick up Josh Allen at the airport, Plat drugs on him and call the cops. Get this ###### away from my team. Take your frustrations out on McBeane. Find out why they picked Allen over the fragile one. Since they couldn't get to #2 and only the two Josh(s) were left, maybe they thought Allen is a better fit in a blue collar town. Or maybe they didn't like Rosen's medicals or his attitude. And maybe they didn't like Jackson, as he's still out there. https://twitter.com/buffalobills/status/989692042132512769 Edited April 27, 2018 by Gramps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 Ink nailed it. There is 0.0% chance Allen is even in the league after 4 years. That means we get a new HC and GM after 3-4 years, a new process, and a whole new draft where we will never have as good as opportunity and will prolly still ###### it up Because Buffalo. Ink is right, this is another decade of ###### I'll take that bet. I like the Allen pick (me and Gramps against the world). All I can say is I'm a college football junkie and I see a kid who went JUCO then played 2 years at a nothing program with no talent around him. IMHO it's not about his college resume. It's about what he can become with good coaching. When Wyoming went up against much better programs (Iowa, Oregon, Boise State) his stats suffered. The other guys - Darnold, Rosen, and Mayfield - played at blue blood programs with NFL-type coaching. So, they're clearly ahead of Allen at this point. But, I think Allen is a kid with better physical tools than all of them... he just hasn't really been coached. It's a gamble, no doubt. But, the "automatic bust, sky is falling" stuff is way overblown IMHO. But, this is a controversial pick, no doubt. So, I get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 I'll take that bet. I like the Allen pick (me and Gramps against the world). All I can say is I'm a college football junkie and I see a kid who went JUCO then played 2 years at a nothing program with no talent around him. IMHO it's not about his college resume. It's about what he can become with good coaching. When Wyoming went up against much better programs (Iowa, Oregon, Boise State) his stats suffered. The other guys - Darnold, Rosen, and Mayfield - played at blue blood programs with NFL-type coaching. So, they're clearly ahead of Allen at this point. But, I think Allen is a kid with better physical tools than all of them... he just hasn't really been coached. It's a gamble, no doubt. But, the "automatic bust, sky is falling" stuff is way overblown IMHO. But, this is a controversial pick, no doubt. So, I get it. I will leave this board for a year if Allen is a starter in this league in 2022 Take your frustrations out on McBeane. Find out why they picked Allen over the fragile one. Since they couldn't get to #2 and only the two Josh(s) were left, maybe they thought Allen is a better fit in a blue collar town. Or maybe they didn't like Rosen's medicals or his attitude. And maybe they didn't like Jackson, as he's still out there. https://twitter.com/buffalobills/status/989692042132512769 Occam's Razor: Because they're dumb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 I'll take that bet. I like the Allen pick (me and Gramps against the world). All I can say is I'm a college football junkie and I see a kid who went JUCO then played 2 years at a nothing program with no talent around him. IMHO it's not about his college resume. It's about what he can become with good coaching. When Wyoming went up against much better programs (Iowa, Oregon, Boise State) his stats suffered. The other guys - Darnold, Rosen, and Mayfield - played at blue blood programs with NFL-type coaching. So, they're clearly ahead of Allen at this point. But, I think Allen is a kid with better physical tools than all of them... he just hasn't really been coached. It's a gamble, no doubt. But, the "automatic bust, sky is falling" stuff is way overblown IMHO. But, this is a controversial pick, no doubt. So, I get it. My issue is that post-snap reads and accuracy are the two most difficult things to learn, and there simply aren't examples of guys being bad at them in college and having those particular things coached up. But history is littered with teams thinking they COULD and failing. And Josh's are worse than bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) The fact that most everybody here hates the Allen pick is a good sign IMO. Edited April 27, 2018 by pi2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robviously Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 The fact that most everybody here hates the Allen pick is a good sign IMO.Like when everyone in Buffalo hated the trade up to get Watkins and then it turned out awesome? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 I will leave this board for a year if Allen is a starter in this league in 2022 Occam's Razor: Because they're dumb Don't leave! Maybe a case of beer would be a good bet... although I'm sure I'll forget in a few years. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gramps Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 My issue is that post-snap reads and accuracy are the two most difficult things to learn, and there simply aren't examples of guys being bad at them in college and having those particular things coached up. But history is littered with teams thinking they COULD and failing. And Josh's are worse than bad. Seriously, don't you think McBeane and all of the scouts looked at this ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 Like when everyone in Buffalo hated the trade up to get Watkins and then it turned out awesome? I distinctly remember certain "always right" posters here loving the Watkins trade-up. I'm sure it is searchable, but I'm too lazy to look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 Seriously, don't you think McBeane and all of the scouts looked at this ? They'd only be the 500th front office to fail in prizing arm strength over more important attributes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 So tremaine, great pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JujuFish Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 I'll take that bet. I like the Allen pick (me and Gramps against the world). All I can say is I'm a college football junkie and I see a kid who went JUCO then played 2 years at a nothing program with no talent around him. IMHO it's not about his college resume. It's about what he can become with good coaching. When Wyoming went up against much better programs (Iowa, Oregon, Boise State) his stats suffered. The other guys - Darnold, Rosen, and Mayfield - played at blue blood programs with NFL-type coaching. So, they're clearly ahead of Allen at this point. But, I think Allen is a kid with better physical tools than all of them... he just hasn't really been coached. It's a gamble, no doubt. But, the "automatic bust, sky is falling" stuff is way overblown IMHO. But, this is a controversial pick, no doubt. So, I get it. In 2016, he had NFL-caliber players around him and still ranked 101 out of 133 QBs in PFF's adjusted completion percentage. By Football Outsiders' QBASE formula, he has a negative QBASE. The best, best, QB ever with a negative QBASE is Josh McCown or Brian Greise. He was more off target than DeShone Kizer's final season. Against the blitz, the other top-6 QBs all had ratings over 100. Allen had a 73.4. 30% of his pass attempts were within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage, a higher rate than Mayfield, Rosen, or Darnold, debunking the myth that the system he played in negatively affected his stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 I'll take that bet. I like the Allen pick (me and Gramps against the world). All I can say is I'm a college football junkie and I see a kid who went JUCO then played 2 years at a nothing program with no talent around him. IMHO it's not about his college resume. It's about what he can become with good coaching. When Wyoming went up against much better programs (Iowa, Oregon, Boise State) his stats suffered. The other guys - Darnold, Rosen, and Mayfield - played at blue blood programs with NFL-type coaching. So, they're clearly ahead of Allen at this point. But, I think Allen is a kid with better physical tools than all of them... he just hasn't really been coached. It's a gamble, no doubt. But, the "automatic bust, sky is falling" stuff is way overblown IMHO. But, this is a controversial pick, no doubt. So, I get it. I'm with you. I think he will be better than just good. At Wyoming he rarely threw a screen pass, and that's half the reason his completion % suffered. A screen pass is basically a handoff. Mayfield threw screens a lot, just like Brady does. And the Bills have always sucked at screens anyways. I'm not ready to jump ship like most are already. As for the Sabres.....that ship has sailed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 They'd only be the 500th front office to fail in prizing arm strength over more important attributes. Jamarcus Russell worked out well for the Raiders.* *If you consider that had they taken a good QB thst year, they wouldn't have been looking for a QB when the good Carr came along. ;) :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 I distinctly remember certain "always right" posters here loving the Watkins trade-up. I'm sure it is searchable, but I'm too lazy to look. same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 I pray to God Allen drinks from the well of Middelstadt and becomes a demi-god. Otherwise we ###### up again..... The second pick I really liked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 In 2016, he had NFL-caliber players around him and still ranked 101 out of 133 QBs in PFF's adjusted completion percentage. By Football Outsiders' QBASE formula, he has a negative QBASE. The best, best, QB ever with a negative QBASE is Josh McCown or Brian Greise. He was more off target than DeShone Kizer's final season. Against the blitz, the other top-6 QBs all had ratings over 100. Allen had a 73.4. 30% of his pass attempts were within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage, a higher rate than Mayfield, Rosen, or Darnold, debunking the myth that the system he played in negatively affected his stats. Never seen him play, have you? You just copied and posted a tweet by Steve Palazzolo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JujuFish Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 I'm with you. I think he will be better than just good. At Wyoming he rarely threw a screen pass, and that's half the reason his completion % suffered. A screen pass is basically a handoff. Mayfield threw screens a lot, just like Brady does. And the Bills have always sucked at screens anyways. I'm not ready to jump ship like most are already. As for the Sabres.....that ship has sailed. He threw more short passes than Mayfield, Rosen, or Darnold. Complain about dropped passes? His receivers dropped 4.8% of his throws, significantly better than 7.4% for Mayfield and 7.7% for Rosen. Never seen him play, have you? You just copied and posted a tweet by Steve Palazzolo Never seen Mayfield, Rosen, Darnold, Jackson, Rudolph, White, Lauletta, McCarron, Peterman, or EJ Manuel play, have you? And I didn't copy and paste a tweet by anyone, since I don't use Twitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=22884195 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 Like when everyone in Buffalo hated the trade up to get Watkins and then it turned out awesome? Or when everyone gave a big WTF wave at the EJ pick? http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=22884195 Now I have that comedian (Frank Caliente?) making fun of John Madden and how he used to bring up Brett Farve randomly during games. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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